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		<title>Infallibility and Epistemology</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 10:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Consider the following argument. Protestants have an inerrant source for the faith, the Scriptures. But it does not make one more confident of the true interpretation of the faith to add another layer of infallibility (the Church or magisterium) because the individual receiving instruction in the faith is fallible. Whatever is received, regardless of whether [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">Consider the following argument.  Protestants have an inerrant source for the faith, the Scriptures.  But it does not make one more confident of the true interpretation of the faith to add another layer of infallibility (the Church or magisterium) because the individual receiving instruction in the faith is fallible.  Whatever is received, regardless of whether its inerrant or whether it came from an infallible source, must be interpreted by a fallible human and therefore becomes fallible.  Because of this, Catholics have no greater assurance than Protestants that they have correctly received the faith.  Just because Catholics have an &#8216;infallible Church&#8217; does not make them more confident of the truth because both Catholics and Protestants are fallible.  If we&#8217;ve seen this argument once, we&#8217;ve seen it at least a hundred times.  In this post, I&#8217;ll show why it&#8217;s false.<br />
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<p style="text-align: justify;">One problem with this argument is that it turns the question of infallibility into a question solely of individual epistemology.  The question of whether the Church is infallible or not has a profound impact on our individual epistemology, but when we say that the Church is infallible, we&#8217;re not directly saying anything about individual epistemology.  We&#8217;re making a statement about the reality of things.  Suppose Joe and I are going to send Ted to the store to buy some eggs, but Ted doesn&#8217;t know how to get there and he&#8217;s not very good with directions.  Joe gives Ted a map.  I tell Ted, &#8220;In addition to the map, when you get to the first street, ask the baker to help you read the map.  He never makes mistakes with directions.&#8221;  Joe says, &#8220;The baker <em>does</em> make mistakes with directions because Ted can interpret directions wrong whether from a map or from a person.&#8221;  Notice that Joe has denied my statement of the baker&#8217;s infallibility not based on anything related to the baker but on Ted&#8217;s ability to interpret the baker&#8217;s directions.  The is the same error as someone denying the claim of Church infallibility based on individual fallibility.  My statement about the baker can be true regardless of whether or not Ted is skillful at interpreting directions.  It&#8217;s a separate question.  Likewise, the question of Church infallibility is distinct from the question of whether or not it helps us achieve greater certainty.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Alternatively Joe could say, &#8220;The baker might be infallible but he won&#8217;t help Ted any more than the map because Ted is bad with directions.&#8221;  Come on Joe!  If Ted is bad with directions, I say we should give him all the help he can get!  But it seems obvious that an infallible baker <em>would</em> help Ted find his way.  Now is there something about Ted that makes it impossible to improve on his certainty any more than giving him a map?  Let&#8217;s get back to the question of Scripture and Church and look at the argument carefully.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Here&#8217;s the argument.  Scripture + Church is not better than Scripture alone because of man&#8217;s fallibility.  So man&#8217;s fallibility is said to be the <em>cause</em> of Scripture + Church not being better than Scripture as regards certainty.  Now God could have placed us in various states of infallible authority.  Consider the basic three as follows.  1. No infallible authority.  2. Scripture only.  3. Scripture + Church.  Now Protestants agree that 2 is an improvement on 1, but 3 is not an improvement on 2.<sup><a href="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2010/04/infallibility-and-epistemology/#footnote_0_4548" id="identifier_0_4548" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" At least according to the argument we&amp;#8217;re currently addressing.  Many Protestants are fully aware that 3 would definitely be an improvement on 2 but do not believe it is true for other reasons. ">1</a></sup>  But if man&#8217;s fallibility caused 3 <em>not</em> to improve on 2, then it would also cause 2 <em>not</em> to improve on 1.   This is because, objectively speaking, 3 is better than 2 just as (and in the same way that) 2 is better than 1.  A living authority that lacks the possibility of error and is capable of addressing any new question (<em>along with</em> the inerrant document) is better than only an inerrant document addressing a limited number of questions and unable to clarify itself.  But if this fact is nullified by man&#8217;s failure to receive it infallibly because of something inherent in man himself (fallibility), then it can only be because the infallibility of <span style="text-decoration: underline;">any source</span> is <em>necessarily</em> reduced to fallible interpretation by man.  So objectively speaking, the Scripture alone (2) is better than no infallible authority (1), but in regard to man, 2 is not better than 1 because such infallibility (or inerrancy) is reduced to fallible interpretation in man.  Sure, 2 might be better than 1 practically; Scripture is true and therefore sets us on the right path.  But according to this argument it is not better than 1 in regard to certainty because man is a fallible interpreter.  And yes, 3 might be better than 2 on some practical level, but not in regard to certainty.  All infallible sources are reduced to fallible interpretations by man so nothing is really better than anything else as far as certainty goes.   The moment we say that 3 is not better than 2, we simultaneously say 2 is not better than 1.  And the moment we say that 2 is better than 1, we say that 3 is better than 2 (or would be if it was true).   The Protestant argument fails because we all know and agree that 2 is better than 1.  Therefore 3 is also better than 2.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Consider a practical example in the following situations. 1. Scripture alone. 2. Scripture plus personal and direct guidance from Jesus Christ whenever any question arises.  (Let&#8217;s say you had His cell phone number.)  Now is 2 any better than 1?  According to the argument above, it&#8217;s not <em>any</em> better whatsoever as regards certainty of the true meaning of Scripture.  It might be neat to chat with Jesus, but the solo scripturist in 1 has just as clear of an idea of the true faith as the person in 2 according to the argument we&#8217;re addressing.  But we know that Jesus could not make a mistake in interpreting the Scriptures.  So only a total skeptic could say that His living authority would not help us decide the correct interpretation of various Scripture passages.  It is precisely this same living infallible authority that Catholics claim is at work through the Church.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Now the arguments above don&#8217;t prove that the Church is infallible.  But they do show that the &#8220;you&#8217;re not any more certain than us&#8221; argument is fallacious.  It does not refute the doctrine of Church infallibility because it does not address it.  And it does not prove that an infallible Church does not aid us in certainty for the reasons given above.  I also recommend Dr. Liccione&#8217;s post on the same subject from some different angles: <a href="http://mliccione.blogspot.com/2009/08/bad-arguments-against-magisterium-part.html">Bad Arguments Against the Magisterium, II</a></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">When Protestants (or Catholics) make a claim about Scripture&#8217;s inerrancy, they are not making a claim about their individual certainty, but about the trustworthiness of the source.  Likewise, when we Catholics claim that the Church is infallible, we are not making a claim about our individual certainty. We&#8217;re primarily making a claim about the Church herself.</p>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_4548" class="footnote"> At least according to the argument we&#8217;re currently addressing.  Many Protestants are fully aware that 3 would definitely be an improvement on 2 but do not believe it is true for other reasons. </li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>On Skepticism and Humility</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim A. Troutman</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The proud man, says C.S. Lewis, cannot see God because he is always looking down his nose at things and people, and so long as you are looking down, you cannot see what is above you.  We can never let ourselves forget that in this on-going search for truth, the truth will always remain above [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">The proud man, says C.S. Lewis, cannot see God because he is always looking down his nose at things and people, and so long as you are looking down, you cannot see what is above you.  We can never let ourselves forget that in this on-going search for truth, the truth will always remain above us.  We must approach the truth as children ready to be transformed by and conformed to something greater than ourselves and not as aggressors.  We do not conquer the truth; if we seek it rightly, it will conquer us.<span id="more-3309"></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Catholic Christianity is something far too big for us to grasp, much less command.  I believe it was Chesterton who said that Paganism was the biggest thing the world had ever seen; Christianity was bigger, and everything since has been comparatively small.    One crucial step in developing humility must be a continual awareness that the Truth is something too big to fit into our finite heads.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Even St. Thomas Aquinas, the greatest doctor of the Church, when granted a vision, said that his writings were but &#8220;straw&#8221; and could not complete his masterpiece, the <em>Summa Theologica</em>.  Students of Thomism, like myself, might wish that we possessed that final part, but in leaving the work unfinished, he left us something greater: a powerful exhortation to humility.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">But none of this means that we can&#8217;t know truth nor that we should too readily profess agnosticism.  Arrogance is a danger but skepticism is also dangerous and is not true humility.  Recently, there has been some lively discussion in response to Bryan and Neal&#8217;s article on <em><a href="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/11/solo-scriptura-sola-scriptura-and-the-question-of-interpretive-authority/">so</a><a href="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/11/solo-scriptura-sola-scriptura-and-the-question-of-interpretive-authority/">la vs solo scriptura</a></em>.  Some have agreed that there is no principled distinction; others are unwilling to grant the distinction, but the sole objection seems to be this: that the Catholic position is no better.  Bryan, myself, and others have given reasons in the combox why we do not believe this to be the case, but I am particularly interested in drawing out a one-liner, not well received and perhaps for good reason, that I left on <a href="http://growinggrace-full.blogspot.com/2009/11/epistemological-modesty.html">Chris Donato&#8217;s blog</a>.  I claimed that &#8220;there is a difference between humility and skepticism.&#8221;</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Modern philosophy has progressed, if you prefer to call it progression, down a path forged by Descartes.  It has given us existentialism, rationalism, scientism, naturalism, and several other isms but most notably, and I think they all have this in common one way or another, skepticism.  But from a classical point of view, things <em>can </em>be known and some things can be known with certainty.  Following Aquinas, I am an empiricist.  But that doesn&#8217;t mean I deny that some things can be known more certainly than others or that I think I can be absolutely certain of everything I believe.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">I lack the philosophical training to draw out exactly why I insist on this distinction (between humility and skepticism), but personally I find it intuitively true.  It doesn&#8217;t seem that I can know, with a mathematical certainty, that the Catholic Church is the true Church, or that Jesus rose from the dead for that matter.  But I believe both of these things with a confidence that does not feel threatened by skeptical approaches to Church history, for example, or with various theories about what might have historically happened at the putative Resurrection.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">I find most counter arguments to be based in skepticism, in fact, and I don&#8217;t find that to be a humble approach to history or to truth seeking.  E.g. How can we be certain that there is an unbroken line of Apostolic Succession from the Apostles until now?  We can&#8217;t know who is rightfully pope because sometimes there were multiple claims to the See of Peter.   Many of the popes said and did bad things, etc.  Now all of these objections deserve answers in due course; I wouldn&#8217;t deny it, but I believe that skepticism is a hindrance to one who is honestly seeking the truth in humility.  In short, I find skepticism to be a counterfeit humility.  True humility consists not in denying knowledge nor in saying that truth is unattainable, but in admitting that one&#8217;s knowledge is imperfect and that the truth we do see, is only through a glass darkly.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Speaking for myself, my style has a tendency to come across as overly confident, and to the extant which I have failed to exhibit a humble spirit in dialogues here and elsewhere, I offer my apologies.  There is a constant need for the Christian to be reminded of his place.  Some of us need reminding more often than others.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">It is only when we come to appreciate that Catholic Christianity is larger than the Latin Church, larger than Byzantine Christianity, and again larger than the revivals from within Protestantism, that we begin to understand just how small we are in comparison.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">It should go without saying that this post isn&#8217;t intended to prove anything; it is merely a prayer for myself and others that we would seek the Truth in humility.  I hope you will pray it with me.</p>
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