<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/"
	>

<channel>
	<title>Called to Communion &#187; Calvinism</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/tag/calvinism/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.calledtocommunion.com</link>
	<description>Reformation meets Rome</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 22:00:13 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<language>English</language>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
			<item>
		<title>Lawrence Feingold: A Catholic Understanding of Predestination and Perseverance</title>
		<link>http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2011/11/lawrence-feingold-on-predestinatio/</link>
		<comments>http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2011/11/lawrence-feingold-on-predestinatio/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2011 06:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Cross</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Blog Posts]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Assurance]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Calvinism]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Double Predestination]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Free Will]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Grace]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Irresistible Grace]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Perseverance]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Predestination]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.calledtocommunion.com/?p=10095</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Over the last three months, Professor Lawrence Feingold of Ave Maria University&#8217;s Institute for Pastoral Theology and author of The Natural Desire to See God According to St. Thomas and his Interpreters and the three volume series The Mystery of Israel and the Church has been giving a series of lectures to the Association of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">Over the last three months, <a href="http://www.ipt.avemaria.edu/lfeingold/" target="_blank">Professor Lawrence Feingold</a> of Ave Maria University&#8217;s <a href="http://www.ipt.avemaria.edu/" target="_blank">Institute for Pastoral Theology</a> and author of <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Natural-Desire-According-Thomas-Interpreters/dp/1932589546/" target="_blank"><em>The Natural Desire to See God According to St. Thomas and his Interpreters</em></a> and the three volume series <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Mystery-Israel-Church-Vol-Fulfillment/dp/0939409038" target="_blank"><em>The Mystery of Israel and the Church</em></a> has been giving a series of lectures to the <a href="http://hebrewcatholic.org/index.html" target="_blank">Association of Hebrew Catholics</a> on man&#8217;s call to share in the divine life. Last week he gave a lecture on the Catholic doctrines of Predestination and Perseverance. The topic of predestination must always be approached in light of the truth of God&#8217;s universal salvific will, which was the subject of the <a href="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2011/11/lawrence-feingold-on-gods-universal-salvific-will/" target="_blank">previous lecture</a>. Some of the objections that a Protestant might raise to a Catholic understanding of predestination were addressed in the Q&amp;A following that lecture. In the present lecture on predestination, Professor Feingold not only explicates the nature of predestination but also shows clearly the different ways that Luther&#8217;s and Calvin&#8217;s views of predestination differ from the Catholic doctrine. The audio recordings of the lecture and of the following Q&amp;A session, along with an outline of the lecture and a list of the questions asked during the Q&amp;A are available below. The mp3s can be downloaded <a href="http://hebrewcatholic.org/manelevatedtosha.html" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
<p><span id="more-10095"></span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/SignorelliTheElect.jpg"><img src="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/SignorelliTheElect.jpg" alt="" title="SignorelliTheElect" width="590" height="552" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-10096" /></a><br />
<strong>The Elect</strong><br />
Luca Signorelli (1499-1502)</p>
<p><strong>Lecture: Predestination and Perseverance</strong> (November 16, 2011)<br />
</p>
<div style="float: right; text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/LawrenceFeingold.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img style="padding-bottom: 0.4em; padding-left: 10px;" src="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/LawrenceFeingold.jpg" alt="" width="204" height="250" /></a><br />
<strong>Lawrence Feingold</strong></div>
<p>When we talk about predestination, we always have to keep in mind God&#8217;s universal salvific will. (1&#8242;)</p>
<p>What does predestination add to God&#8217;s universal salvific will? (2&#8242;)<br />
A summary of the meaning of the word &#8216;predestination&#8217; in Catholic doctrine (2&#8242; &#8211; 5&#8242;)</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Predestination includes foreknowledge, and is a part of divine providence. (6&#8242;)</p>
<p>Predestination has only one <em>fundamental</em> cause: God&#8217;s love. (7&#8242;)</p>
<p>Predestination is the part of God&#8217;s eternal plan by which the just reach their supernatural end through a series of graces God has prepared for them.</p>
<p>Predestination has two elements: </p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">(a) God&#8217;s gracious aid directing us to an end we cannot reach ourselves, and<br />
(b) foreknowledge of our correspondence with His grace. (9&#8242;)</p>
<p>St. Augustine&#8217;s definition of predestination:  (11&#8242;)</p>
<p>St. Thomas Aquinas on predestination: (13&#8242;)</p>
<blockquote><p>It is fitting that God should predestine men. For all things are subject to His providence, as was shown above (Question 22, Article 2). Now it belongs to providence to direct things towards their end, as was also said (Q. 22, a.1, ad 2). The end towards which created things are directed by God is twofold; one which exceeds all proportion and faculty of every created nature; and this end is life eternal, that consists in seeing God which is above the nature of every creature, as shown above (Question 12, Article 4). The other end, however, is proportionate to created nature, to which end created being can attain according to the power of its nature. Now if a thing cannot attain to something by the power of its nature, it must be directed thereto by another; thus, an arrow is directed by the archer towards a mark. Hence, properly speaking, a rational creature, capable of eternal life, is led towards it, directed, as it were, by God. The reason of that direction pre-exists in God; as in Him is the type of the order of all things towards an end, which we proved above to be providence. Now the type in the mind of the doer of something to be done, is a kind of pre-existence in him of the thing to be done. Hence the type of the aforesaid direction of a rational creature towards the end of life eternal is called predestination. For to destine, is to direct or send. Thus it is clear that predestination, as regards its objects, is a part of providence. (<a href="http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1023.htm#article1" target="_blank"><em>Summa Theologica</em> I, a.23, a.1</a>) </p></blockquote>
<p>Example of the arrow and archer (14&#8242;)</p>
<p>The idea or blueprint in the mind of God of the way by which we will be saved is predestination. (19&#8242;)</p>
<p>Two causes of predestination: one primary, the other secondary (20&#8242;)</p>
<p>Reprobation (21&#8242;)</p>
<p><strong>Predestination in the Letters of St. Paul</strong> (22&#8242;)</p>
<p><a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+8%3A28-31">&#82;&#111;&#109;&#97;&#110;&#115;&#32;&#56;&#58;&#50;&#56;&#45;&#51;&#49;</a> (23&#8242;)</p>
<blockquote><p>We know that in everything God works for good with those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose. For those whom He foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, in order that He might be the first-born among many brethren. And those whom He predestined He also called; and those whom He called He also justified; and those whom He justified He also glorified. What then shall we say to this? If God is for us, who is against us? (<a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rom+8%3A28-31">&#82;&#111;&#109;&#32;&#56;&#58;&#50;&#56;&#45;&#51;&#49;</a>) </p></blockquote>
<p>The set of those called, is not the same set as those justified, because some reject the actual grace given to them. Example of the wedding feast (29&#8242;)</p>
<p>Difference between foreknowing and predestining (32&#8242;)</p>
<p>Calvinist interpretation of the passage (33&#8242;)</p>
<p><a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+1%3A3-6">&#69;&#112;&#104;&#101;&#115;&#105;&#97;&#110;&#115;&#32;&#49;&#58;&#51;&#45;&#54;</a> (34&#8242;)</p>
<blockquote><p>Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before Him. He predestined us in love to be His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of His will, to the praise of His glorious grace which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved. (<a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Eph+1%3A3-6">&#69;&#112;&#104;&#32;&#49;&#58;&#51;&#45;&#54;</a>) </p></blockquote>
<p>Relation between predestination, the Incarnation, and the Church (37&#8242;)</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Election and predestination in an ecclesiological sense (38&#8242;)</p>
<p><a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+2%3A7-9">&#49;&#32;&#67;&#111;&#114;&#105;&#110;&#116;&#104;&#105;&#97;&#110;&#115;&#32;&#50;&#58;&#55;&#45;&#57;</a> (39&#8242;)</p>
<blockquote><p>We impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God <em>decreed</em> [predestined] before the ages for our glorification. . . Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor has it entered into the heart of man what God has prepared for those who love Him. (1 Cor. 2:7-9) </p></blockquote>
<p><a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Thessalonians+5%3A6-10">&#49;&#32;&#84;&#104;&#101;&#115;&#115;&#97;&#108;&#111;&#110;&#105;&#97;&#110;&#115;&#32;&#53;&#58;&#54;&#45;&#49;&#48;</a> (42&#8242;)</p>
<blockquote><p>For you are all sons of light and sons of the day; we are not of the night or of darkness. So then let us not sleep, as others do, but let us keep awake and be sober. … But, since we belong to the day, let us . . . put on the breastplate of faith and love, and for a helmet the hope of salvation. For God has not <em>destined</em> us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us so that whether we wake or sleep we might live with Him. (1 Thess. 5:6-10) </p></blockquote>
<p>St. Paul&#8217;s notion of predestination was already contained in the Old Testament understanding of the election of the Jews. (45&#8242;)</p>
<p>Parable of the sower: election isn&#8217;t enough; there has to be perseverance. (48&#8242;)</p>
<p>Two senses of the term &#8216;election&#8217; (49&#8242;)</p>
<p><strong>God Does Not &#8220;Predestine&#8221; Anyone to Hell</strong> (50&#8242;)</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Distinction between predestination and foreknowledge (51&#8242;)<br />
God has a universal salvific will, but not all are predestined; only those who cooperate (54&#8242;)</p>
<p><strong>Predestination according to Luther and Calvin</strong> (54&#8242;)<br />
Luther and Calvin&#8217;s notion of predestination differs in two fundamental ways from the Catholic doctrine of predestination.</p>
<p>(<strong>1</strong>) Double predestination (54&#8242;)</p>
<p>Why did Luther hold this? Because he denied free will. (57&#8242;)<br />
In his <em>On the Bondage of the Will</em>, Luther wrote: (58&#8242;)</p>
<blockquote><p>Now the highest degree of faith is to believe that He is merciful, though He saves so few and damns so many; to believe that He is just, though of His own will He makes us perforce proper subjects for damnation, and seems (in Erasmus&#8217; words) &#8220;to delight in the torments of the poor wretches.&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>In his <em>Institutes of the Christian Religion</em>, Calvin wrote: (59&#8242;)</p>
<blockquote><p>By predestination we mean the eternal decree of God, by which He determined within Himself whatever He wished to happen with regard to every man. All are not created on equal terms, but some are preordained to eternal life, others to eternal damnation; and, accordingly, as each has been created for one or other of these ends, we say that he has been predestinated to life or to death. (<em>Institutes of the Christian Religion</em>, III.21.6) </p></blockquote>
<p>The problem here is the notion of irresistible grace. (62&#8242;)</p>
<p>(<strong>2</strong>) Luther and Calvin deny our ability to cooperate with grace. (63&#8242;) </p>
<p>The Lutheran and Calvinist thesis of double-predestination was condemned at the Council of Trent: (64&#8242;)</p>
<blockquote><p>If anyone says that the grace of justification is shared by those only who are predestined to life, but that all others who are called are called indeed but receive not grace, as if they are by divine power predestined to evil, let him be anathema. (<a href="http://www.americancatholictruthsociety.com/docs/TRENT/trent6.htm" target="_blank">Session VI</a>, Canon 17) </p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Predestination and God&#8217;s Antecedent and Consequent Will</strong> (64&#8242;)</p>
<p>St. Thomas explains this in <em>Summa Contra Gentiles</em> III 159-161: (66&#8242;)</p>
<blockquote><p>[S]ince one cannot be directed to the ultimate end except by means of divine grace, without which no one can possess the things needed to work toward the ultimate end, such as faith, hope, love, and perseverance, it might seem to some person that man should not be held responsible for the lack of such aids. Especially so, since he cannot merit the help of divine grace, nor turn toward God unless God convert him, for no one is held responsible for what depends on another. Now, if this is granted, many inappropriate conclusions appear. (<em>SCG</em> III.159.1) </p></blockquote>
<p>To this problem St. Thomas replies: </p>
<blockquote><p>To settle this difficulty, we ought to consider that, although one may neither merit in advance nor call forth divine grace by a movement of his free choice, he is able to prevent himself from receiving this grace: Indeed, it is said in Job(21:34): “Who have said to God: Depart from us, we desire not the knowledge of Your ways”; and in Job (24:13): “They have been rebellious to the light.” <em>And since this ability to impede or not to impede the reception of divine grace is within the scope of free choice, not undeservedly is responsibility for the fault imputed to him who offers an impediment to the reception of grace. In fact, as far as He is concerned, God is ready to give grace to all; “indeed He wills all men to be saved</em>, and to come to the knowledge of the truth,” as is said in 1 Timothy (2:4).But those alone are deprived of grace who offer an obstacle within themselves to grace; just as, while the sun is shining on the world, the man who keeps his eyes closed is held responsible for his fault, if as a result some evil follows, even though he could not see unless he were provided in advance with light from the sun. (<em>SCG</em> III.159.2) </p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Final Perseverance</strong> (71&#8242;)</p>
<p>Second Council of Orange: (72&#8242;)</p>
<blockquote><p>God&#8217;s help is always to be sought even for the regenerated and holy, that they may come to a happy end, or that they may continue in the performance of good works. (<a href="http://www.catecheticsonline.com/SourcesofDogma2.php" target="_blank">Denz. 183</a>) </p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Can Final Perseverance be Merited?</strong> (73&#8242;)</p>
<p>St. Thomas addresses this in <a href="http://www.newadvent.org/summa/2114.htm#article9" target="_blank"><em>Summa Theologica</em> I-II, q. 114, a.9</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Can the Faithful Have Complete Assurance of Final Perseverance?</strong> (75&#8242;)</p>
<p>Luther taught that faith had to include faith in one&#8217;s own justification. (76&#8242;)<br />
Calvin taught that faith had to include faith in one&#8217;s own final perseverance to glory. (77&#8242;)</p>
<p>The problem with the claim that faith must include belief in one&#8217;s own final perseverance (77&#8242;)</p>
<p>The Council of Trent condemned this: (77&#8242;)</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Canon 15</strong>. If anyone says that a man who is born again and justified is bound ex fide to believe that he is certainly in the number of the predestined, let him be anathema.</p>
<p><strong>Canon 16</strong>. If anyone says that he will for certain, with an absolute and infallible certainty, have that great gift of perseverance even to the end, unless he shall have learned this by a special revelation, let him be anathema. (<a href="http://www.americancatholictruthsociety.com/docs/TRENT/trent6.htm" target="_blank">Session VI</a>) </p></blockquote>
<p><strong>St. Francis de Sales on God&#8217;s Universal Salvific Will</strong> (79&#8242;)</p>
<blockquote><p>First He willed, with a genuine will, that even after the sin of Adam all men should be saved, but in a way and with means suited to the condition of our nature, which is endowed with free-will; that is to say He willed the salvation of all those who would contribute their consent to the graces and favours which He would prepare, offer and distribute for this purpose. Now, among these favours, He willed that the call be first, and that it should be so accommodated to our freedom that we might at our good pleasure accept or reject it. And to those whom He foresaw would receive it, He willed to give the sacred movements of repentance; and to those who would follow those movements He determined to give holy charity, those again who were in charity, He purposed to supply with the helps necessary to persevere, and to such as should make use of these divine helps He resolved to impart final perseverance, and the glorious felicity of his eternal love. … Without doubt, God prepared heaven only for those whom He foresaw would be His. &#8230; But it is in our power to be His: for although the gift of being God&#8217;s belongs to God, yet this is a gift which God denies no one, but offers to all, and gives to those who freely consent to receive it. (<em>Treatise on the Love of God</em>, 3.5) </p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Questions and Answers</strong><br />
</p>
<p><strong>1</strong>. In light of all you have said, then why do we pray for anyone else? (1&#8242;)</p>
<p><strong>2</strong>. The gospel readings of last Sunday and this morning dealt with the servants receiving talents from their master. How does that relate to predestination? (3&#8242;)</p>
<p><strong>3</strong>. God knowing from the beginning who and how many would be saved, why didn&#8217;t He set the bar lower, to save more? (7&#8242;)</p>
<p><strong>4</strong>. How did Luther and Calvin ever give the early Protestants incentive to love God more or live moral lives if it didn&#8217;t matter or change predestination? (10&#8242;)</p>
<p><strong>5</strong>. Paul himself seemed to know that he himself was saved. How is that possible? (13&#8242;)</p>
<p><strong>6</strong>. Because the Church allows many views on this subject, can you distinguish the view of the Dominican Bañez from that of Calvin? (14&#8242;)</p>
<p><strong>7</strong>. I understand that God gives sufficient grace for all to be saved, but it seems unfair that God gives more grace to some than to others. It seems the ones that He gave more grace to would have a better chance at salvation than someone to whom He gave less grace. (17&#8242;)</p>
<p><strong>8</strong>. Shouldn&#8217;t Jesus have said more accurately &#8220;All are called and some are chosen&#8221;? (21&#8242;)</p>
<p><strong>9</strong>. What does it mean that Herod and Pilate were predestined to do what God had planned to take place (<a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+4%3A28">&#65;&#99;&#116;&#115;&#32;&#52;&#58;&#50;&#56;</a>)? (23&#8242;)</p>
<p><strong>10</strong>. What about Jude 4, which speaks of present persons long ago &#8220;designated&#8221; for condemnation? (25&#8242;)</p>
<p><strong>11</strong>. Why does St. Paul say regarding Jacob and Esau that God chose Jacob over Esau before either had done anything good or bad (<a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rom+9%3A11">&#82;&#111;&#109;&#32;&#57;&#58;&#49;&#49;</a>)? (27&#8242;)</p>
<p><strong>12</strong>. Why doesn&#8217;t the notion that men can successfully resist God&#8217;s grace detract from His omnipotence? If He really wants all men to be saved, why doesn&#8217;t He overwhelm all men with irresistible grace? (33&#8242;)</p>
<p><strong>13</strong>. If God&#8217;s knowledge is the cause of what happens, rather than the other way around, how can man&#8217;s response to grace be the cause of God&#8217;s foreknowledge of who is predestined? (37&#8242;)</p>
<p><strong>14</strong>. What about Limbo? (39&#8242;)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2011/11/lawrence-feingold-on-predestinatio/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>3</slash:comments>
<enclosure url="http://hebrewca.ipower.com/SoundFiles/S9L09Predestination.mp3" length="19624927" type="audio/mpeg" />
<enclosure url="http://hebrewca.ipower.com/SoundFiles/S9L09PredestinationQ.mp3" length="10003506" type="audio/mpeg" />
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Lawrence Feingold on God&#8217;s Universal Salvific Will</title>
		<link>http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2011/11/lawrence-feingold-on-gods-universal-salvific-will/</link>
		<comments>http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2011/11/lawrence-feingold-on-gods-universal-salvific-will/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 06:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Cross</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Blog Posts]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Atonement]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Calvinism]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Election]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Evangelism]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Predestination]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Soteriology]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Universal Salvific Will]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.calledtocommunion.com/?p=9926</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;It must therefore be firmly believed as a truth of Catholic faith that the universal salvific will of the One and Triune God is offered and accomplished once for all in the mystery of the incarnation, death, and resurrection of the Son of God.&#8221; Those words were written by then Cardinal Ratzinger, in the Declaration [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">&#8220;It must therefore be <em>firmly believed</em> as a truth of Catholic faith that the universal salvific will of the One and Triune God is offered and accomplished once for all in the mystery of the incarnation, death, and resurrection of the Son of God.&#8221; Those words were written by then Cardinal Ratzinger, in the Declaration <a href="http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000806_dominus-iesus_en.html" target="_blank"><em>Dominus Iesus</em></a>, published in 2000. Last week <a href="http://www.ipt.avemaria.edu/lfeingold/" target="_blank">Professor Lawrence Feingold</a> of Ave Maria University&#8217;s <a href="http://www.ipt.avemaria.edu/" target="_blank">Institute for Pastoral Theology</a> and author of <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Natural-Desire-According-Thomas-Interpreters/dp/1932589546/" target="_blank"><em>The Natural Desire to See God According to St. Thomas and his Interpreters</em></a> and the three volume series <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Mystery-Israel-Church-Vol-Fulfillment/dp/0939409038" target="_blank"><em>The Mystery of Israel and the Church</em></a> gave a lecture on God&#8217;s universal salvific will to the <a href="http://hebrewcatholic.org/index.html" target="_blank">Association of Hebrew Catholics</a>. The doctrine of God&#8217;s universal salvific will is the doctrine that God desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. This doctrine is another point of disagreement between Reformed theology and Catholic theology. Reformed theology denies that God desires all men to be saved, and claims that Christ died only for the elect, not for the sins of all men. The audio recordings of the lecture and of the following Q&amp;A session, along with an outline of the lecture and a list of the questions asked during the  Q&amp;A are available below. The mp3s can be downloaded <a href="http://hebrewcatholic.org/manelevatedtosha.html" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
<p><span id="more-9926"></span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/LeSueurPaulPreachingAtEphesus.jpg"><img src="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/LeSueurPaulPreachingAtEphesus.jpg" alt="" title="LeSueurPaulPreachingAtEphesus" width="590" height="700" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-9980" /></a><br />
<strong>The Preaching of Paul at Ephesus</strong><br />
Eustache Le Sueur (1649)</p>
<p><strong>Lecture: God&#8217;s Universal Salvific Will</strong> (November 9, 2011)<br />
</p>
<div style="float: right; text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/LawrenceFeingold.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img style="padding-bottom: 0.4em; padding-left: 10px;" src="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/LawrenceFeingold.jpg" alt="" width="204" height="250" /></a><br />
<strong>Lawrence Feingold</strong></div>
<p>God&#8217;s universal salvific will, and predestination, must always be considered together. (1&#8242;)<br />
&#8220;God desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth&#8221; (<a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Tim+2%3A4">&#49;&#32;&#84;&#105;&#109;&#32;&#50;&#58;&#52;</a>)<br />
God desires all to be saved, because He loves all men, and wants us all to enter into His own life.<sup><a href="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2011/11/lawrence-feingold-on-gods-universal-salvific-will/#footnote_0_9926" id="identifier_0_9926" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" The doctrine of God&amp;#8217;s universal salvific will is not to be confused with universalism, the claim that all men are saved, or with what is called &amp;#8216;hopeful universalism,&amp;#8217; which I have addressed here. ">1</a></sup> (1&#8242;)</p>
<p><strong>God truly wills the salvation of all men: Scripture</strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Tim+2%3A1-4">&#49;&#32;&#84;&#105;&#109;&#32;&#50;&#58;&#49;&#45;&#52;</a> (2&#8242;)<br />
Christ gave Himself &#8220;as a ransom for all&#8221; (<a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Tim+2%3A6">&#49;&#32;&#84;&#105;&#109;&#32;&#50;&#58;&#54;</a>) (3&#8242;)<br />
<a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+3%3A16">&#74;&#111;&#104;&#110;&#32;&#51;&#58;&#49;&#54;</a> (5&#8242;)<br />
How do we reconcile the universal salvific will of God with the fact that some are lost? (6&#8242;)<br />
<a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Peter+3%3A9">&#50;&#32;&#80;&#101;&#116;&#101;&#114;&#32;&#51;&#58;&#57;</a> &#8220;not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance&#8221; (7&#8242;)<br />
<a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+2%3A2">&#49;&#32;&#74;&#111;&#104;&#110;&#32;&#50;&#58;&#50;</a> &#8220;expiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world&#8221; (8&#8242;)<br />
Sermon on the Mount (8&#8242;)<br />
Parable of the Sower (9&#8242;)<br />
Parable of the Wedding Feast (Mt. 22:1-14) (11&#8242;)<br />
Parable of the Sheep: &#8220;So it is not the will of my Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish.&#8221; (Mt. 18:14)  (15&#8242;)</p>
<p><strong>Universal Means of Salvation</strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">To say that God wills all men to be saved would be empty if it did not include some kind of universal means so that all can be saved. (16&#8242;)</p>
<p>Christ through His Church and sacraments is the universal means (17&#8242;)</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Four steps (18&#8242;)<br />
(1) Christ&#8217;s incarnation and passion for all men<sup><a href="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2011/11/lawrence-feingold-on-gods-universal-salvific-will/#footnote_1_9926" id="identifier_1_9926" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" The Church, following the apostles, teaches that Christ died for all men without exception: &amp;#8220;There is not, never has been, and never will be a single human being for whom Christ did not suffer.&amp;#8221; [Council of Quiercy (853)]. (CCC 605) ">2</a></sup><br />
(2) Grace merited by Christ<br />
(3) Universal Church<br />
(4) Sacraments in His Church, by which men can receive His grace.</p>
<p>All men who attain the age of reason are given operative grace, sufficient for salvation if men cooperate (20&#8242;)<br />
Cooperative grace is given only to those who cooperate with operative grace. (21&#8242;)</p>
<p>The Old Covenant not yet Catholic, and not yet a universal means of salvation, but hints at it (23&#8242;)</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">The Book of Jonah (25&#8242;)</p>
<p><strong>The Fathers and Doctors on the Universal Salvific Will</strong><sup><a href="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2011/11/lawrence-feingold-on-gods-universal-salvific-will/#footnote_2_9926" id="identifier_2_9926" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" For more excerpts from the Church Fathers on this subject see section 54 of Fr. Mosts&amp;#8217;s book Grace, Predestination, and the Universal Salvific Will of God. ">3</a></sup>  (26&#8242;)<br />
All are agreed that God wills all men to be saved in a manner fitting for free creatures.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">St. John Chrysostom (28&#8242;)<br />
St. Ambrose (28&#8242;)<br />
St. Augustine (29&#8242;)<br />
St. John Damascene (31&#8242;)</p>
<p>Two senses of God&#8217;s salvific will: antecedent and consequent</p>
<blockquote><p>Also one must bear in mind that God <em>antecedently</em> wishes all to be saved and come to His Kingdom. (<a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Timothy+2%3A4">&#49;&#32;&#84;&#105;&#109;&#111;&#116;&#104;&#121;&#32;&#50;&#58;&#52;</a>) For it was not for punishment that He formed us but to share in His goodness, inasmuch as He is a good God. But inasmuch as He is a just God, His will is that sinners should suffer punishment. The first then is called God&#8217;s antecedent will and pleasure, and springs from Himself, while the second is called God&#8217;s <em>consequent</em> will and permission, and <em>has its origin in us</em>. (<em>De Fide Orth</em> 2.29) (34&#8242;) </p></blockquote>
<p>St. Thomas Aquinas (36&#8242;)</p>
<blockquote><p>Objection: It seems that the will of God is not always fulfilled. For the Apostle says (<a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Timothy+2%3A4">&#49;&#32;&#84;&#105;&#109;&#111;&#116;&#104;&#121;&#32;&#50;&#58;&#52;</a>): &#8220;God will have all men to be saved, and to come to the knowledge of the truth.&#8221; But this does not happen. Therefore the will of God is not always fulfilled.</p>
<p>Response: According to Damascene (<em>De Fide Orth</em>. 2.29), they are understood of the antecedent will of God; not of the consequent will. This distinction must not be taken as applying to the divine will itself, in which there is nothing antecedent nor consequent, but to the things willed. To understand this we must consider that everything, in so far as it is good, is willed by God. A thing taken in its primary sense, and absolutely considered, may be good or evil, and yet when some additional circumstances are taken into account, by a consequent consideration may be changed into the contrary. Thus that a man should live is good; and that a man should be killed is evil, absolutely considered. But if in a particular case we add that a man is a murderer or dangerous to society, to kill him is a good; that he live is an evil. Hence it may be said of a just judge, that antecedently he wills all men to live; but consequently wills the murderer to be hanged. In the same way God antecedently wills all men to be saved, but consequently wills some to be damned, as His justice exacts. Nor do we will simply, what we will antecedently, but rather we will it in a qualified manner; for the will is directed to things as they are in themselves, and in themselves they exist under particular qualifications. Hence we will a thing simply inasmuch as we will it when all particular circumstances are considered; and this is what is meant by willing consequently. Thus it may be said that a just judge wills simply the hanging of a murderer, but in a qualified manner he would will him to live, to wit, inasmuch as he is a man. Such a qualified will may be called a willingness rather than an absolute will. Thus it is clear that whatever God simply wills takes place; although what He wills antecedently may not take place. (<a href="http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1019.htm#article6" target="_blank"><em>Summa Theologica</em> I Q.19, a.6</a>.) </p></blockquote>
<p>God wills all men to be saved, and prepares for them a series of graces sufficient (and in fact, superabundant) to bring them to salvation. But we have to correspond to them. God leaves us free will, by which we either cooperate with His grace, or freely impede it, and His consequent will takes into account our cooperation and resistance.  (37&#8242;)</p>
<p><strong>Denial of the Universal Salvific Will at the Reformation</strong> (38&#8242;)</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Luther and Calvin denied our ability to cooperate with grace.<sup><a href="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2011/11/lawrence-feingold-on-gods-universal-salvific-will/#footnote_3_9926" id="identifier_3_9926" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" This denial was in turn based on their notion of original sin, explained here, and their not distinguishing between actual grace and sanctifying grace, explained here. ">4</a></sup>  (39&#8242;)<br />
That denial eliminates the distinction between antecedent and consequent will (40&#8242;)<sup><a href="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2011/11/lawrence-feingold-on-gods-universal-salvific-will/#footnote_4_9926" id="identifier_4_9926" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" The distinction between antecedent and consequent will should not be confused with the Reformed distinction between preceptive will and decretive will. The former distinction allows for it to be true without contradiction that God desires all men to be saved and yet not all men are saved; but without the former distinction the latter distinction undermines the possibility of an authentic universal salvific will in God. If God commands that a person repent, but then, not on the basis of foreseen rejection of grace by that person, refuses to give sufficient grace for that person to repent, not only does God not truly desire that person&amp;#8217;s salvation, but God has fallen into a performative contradiction, saying one thing, but doing something contrary to what He says. Either He does not mean what He says, in which case He is not the Truth, or He rebels against Himself, in which case He is in need of salvation. The notion that there are two actual contrary wills in God (in which neither will involves an abstraction from what God knows about human choices) is not only a theological schizophrenia, it is also a form of Manichean dualism. Calvinists use Scriptural examples of the difference between what is in fact divine antecedent will and divine consequent will, as though this supports a decretive-preceptive distinction not based on an antecedent-consequent distinction. John Piper does that, for example, in his &amp;#8220;Are There Two Wills in God?,&amp;#8221; and so do Luther, Calvin, Turretin, etc. &amp;#8212; see here. But while an antecedent-consequent distinction avoids theological schizophrenia, because the former is an abstraction, the decretive-preceptive distinction without the antecedent-consequent distinction does not avoid theological schizophrenia, because neither the decretive nor preceptive will is an abstraction.  ">5</a></sup><br />
This entails that God&#8217;s salvific will is not universal (41&#8242;)</p>
<p>Luther&#8217;s <em>On the Bondage of the Will</em>: (41&#8242;)</p>
<blockquote><p>In a word: if we are under the god of this world, strangers to the work of God&#8217;s Spirit, we are led captive by him at his will, as Paul said to Timothy (2 Tim. 2.26), so that we cannot will anything but what he wills. For he is a &#8216;strong man armed,&#8217; who keeps his palace to such good effect that those he holds are at peace, and raise no stir or feeling against him — otherwise, Satan&#8217;s kingdom would be divided against itself, and could not stand; but Christ says it does stand. And we acquiesce in his rule willingly and readily, according to the nature of willingness, which, if constrained, is not &#8216;willingness&#8217;; for constraint means rather, as one would say, &#8216;unwillingness&#8217;. But if a stronger appears, and overcomes Satan, we are once more servants and captives, but now desiring and willingly doing what He wills — which is royal freedom (cf. Luke 11.18-22). So man&#8217;s will is like a beast standing between two riders. If God rides, it wills and goes where God wills: as the Psalm says, &#8216;I am become as a beast before thee, and I am ever with thee&#8217; (Ps. 73.22-3). If Satan rides, it wills and goes where Satan wills. Nor may it choose to which rider it will run, or which it will seek; but the riders themselves fight to decide who shall have and hold it.&#8217; (<em>On the Bondage of the Will</em>, 103-104) </p></blockquote>
<p>Luther applies this to Cain (43&#8242;)</p>
<p>This leads to the notion of double-predestination (45&#8242;)</p>
<p>John Calvin (46&#8242;)</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Claimed that Christ did not die for all, but only for the elect. &#8220;Limited atonement&#8221;<br />
Leads to the notion that some are predesined by God to hell.</p>
<p><strong>Denial of the Universal Salvific Will by Jansenism</strong> (47&#8242;)</p>
<p>The following five Jansenist positions were infallibly condemned by Pope Innocent X in 1653: (48&#8242;)</p>
<blockquote><p>1. Some of God&#8217;s precepts are impossible to the just, who wish and strive to keep them, according to the present powers which they have; the grace, by which they are made possible, is also wanting.</p>
<p>2. In the state of fallen nature one never resists interior grace.</p>
<p>3. In order to merit or demerit in the state of fallen nature, freedom from necessity is not required in man, but freedom from external compulsion is sufficient.</p>
<p>4. The Semipelagians admitted the necessity of a prevenient interior grace for each act, even for the beginning of faith; and in this they were heretics, because they wished this grace to be such that the human will could either resist or obey.</p>
<p>5. It is Semipelagian to say that Christ died or shed His blood for all men without exception. (<a href="http://www.catecheticsonline.com/SourcesofDogma11.php" target="_blank">Denzinger 1092-1096</a>) </p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Real Possibility of Salvation for All</strong> (53&#8242;)<br />
Sufficient grace to be saved is given to everyone who reaches the age of reason. Christ died for all men. God wills all men to cooperate with that grace, and thus God predestines no one to hell.</p>
<p>What about those who never hear the gospel? (53&#8242;)<br />
What about &#8220;outside the Church there is no salvation&#8221;?</p>
<p><em>Lumen Gentium</em>: (55&#8242;)</p>
<blockquote><p>Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is <em>necessary for salvation</em>. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. <em>Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved</em>. (<a href="http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19641121_lumen-gentium_en.html" target="_blank"><em>Lumen Gentium</em></a>, 14) </p></blockquote>
<p>Vincible ignorance and invincible ignorance (57&#8242;)<br />
Bl. Pope Pius IX on invincible ignorance (59&#8242;)</p>
<p><em>Lumen Gentium</em>: (60&#8242;)</p>
<blockquote><p>Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. (<a href="http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19641121_lumen-gentium_en.html" target="_blank"><em>Lumen Gentium</em></a>, 16) </p></blockquote>
<p>Creed of the People of God (Pope Paul VI) (61&#8242;)</p>
<blockquote><p>We believe that the Church is necessary for salvation, because Christ, who is the sole mediator and way of salvation, renders Himself present for us in His body which is the Church. But the divine design of salvation embraces all men, and those who without fault on their part do not know the Gospel of Christ, but seek sincerely, and under the influence of grace endeavor to do His will as recognized through the promptings of their conscience, they, in a number known only to God, can obtain salvation. (<a href="http://www.ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/p6credo.htm" target="_blank">Creed of the People of God</a>) </p></blockquote>
<p>Catechism of the Catholic Church (62&#8242;)</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery.&#8221; Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity. (<a href="http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/1260.htm" target="_blank">CCC 1260</a>) </p></blockquote>
<p>Explicit desire and implicit desire (65&#8242;)</p>
<p>Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston, August 8th, 1949 regarding Feeneyism. (67&#8242;)</p>
<blockquote><p>However, this desire need not always be explicit, as it is in catechumens; but when a person is involved in invincible ignorance God accepts also an implicit desire, so called because it is included in that good disposition of soul whereby a person wishes his will to be conformed to the will of God. (<a href="http://www.ewtn.com/library/curia/cdffeeny.htm" target="_blank">Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston</a>) </p></blockquote>
<p>Salvation outside the visible Church requires perfect contrition (69&#8242;)<br />
God gives the grace to everyone to make an act of perfect contrition (69&#8242;)</p>
<p>Some faith is necessary for salvation (70&#8242;)<br />
Hence missionary activity of the Church is not rendered useless by the fact that it is possible for those to be saved who have never heard the gospel. </p>
<p>It is much more difficult to be saved when not in full communion with the Catholic Church, and therefore without the fullness of the truth and the means of grace Christ has established in His Church.</p>
<p><em>Mystici Corporis Christi</em> (71&#8242;)</p>
<blockquote><p>They who do not belong to the visible Body of the Catholic Church, … We ask each and every one of them to correspond to the interior movements of grace, and to seek to withdraw from that state in which they cannot be sure of their salvation. For even though by an unconscious desire and longing they have a certain relationship with the Mystical Body of the Redeemer, they still remain deprived of those many heavenly gifts and helps which can only be enjoyed in the Catholic Church. (<a href="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xii/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xii_enc_29061943_mystici-corporis-christi_en.html" target="_blank"><em>Mystici Corporis Christi</em></a>, 103) </p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Questions and Answers</strong><br />
</p>
<p><strong>1</strong>. How does the Catholic understanding of the universal salvific will compare to that of the Orthodox Jewish or Islamic view? (1&#8242;)</p>
<p><strong>2</strong>. Is inculpable ignorance holding views contrary to the Church because you run out of time before you can investigate the reasons for the truth on all the issues, or is it necessary to hold the principles of the Church by faith before you dismiss them by investigation that confirms your conscience?  (3&#8242; 19&#8243;)</p>
<p><strong>3</strong>. Luther said that in Genesis God was simply telling Cain what he ought to do. But if as Luther believed, Cain had no choice in the matter, why would God bother telling him at all? (4&#8217;42&#8243;)</p>
<p><strong>4</strong>. In many places in Scripture we see God hardening people&#8217;s hearts. In <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+2%3A30">&#68;&#101;&#117;&#116;&#101;&#114;&#111;&#110;&#111;&#109;&#121;&#32;&#50;&#58;&#51;&#48;</a> He hardens the heart of Sihon King of Heshbon. In <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Joshua+11%3A20">&#74;&#111;&#115;&#104;&#117;&#97;&#32;&#49;&#49;&#58;&#50;&#48;</a> He hardens the hearts of the Canaanites. In 1 Sam. 2:25 He hardens the hearts of Hophni and Phineas, so that they would not listen to Eli. Jesus thanks the Father for hiding things from the wise and prudent (Matt. 11:25,26), and quotes Isaiah saying that God has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, so that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted. (<a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+12%3A37-40">&#74;&#111;&#104;&#110;&#32;&#49;&#50;&#58;&#51;&#55;&#45;&#52;&#48;</a>) St. Paul says the same in <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+11%3A8">&#82;&#111;&#109;&#97;&#110;&#115;&#32;&#49;&#49;&#58;&#56;</a>, and in <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thess+2%3A11">&#50;&#32;&#84;&#104;&#101;&#115;&#115;&#32;&#50;&#58;&#49;&#49;</a> he says that God sends them a strong delusion to make them believe what is false. How is all this compatible with a universal salvific will? (6&#8217;30&#8243;)</p>
<p><strong>5</strong>. In <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+10%3A26">&#74;&#111;&#104;&#110;&#32;&#49;&#48;&#58;&#50;&#54;</a> Jesus says, &#8220;but you do not believe, because you do not belong to my sheep.&#8221; If God wants all men to be saved, why doesn&#8217;t Jesus say, &#8220;you are not of my sheep because you do not believe&#8221;? (17&#8242;)</p>
<p><strong>6</strong>. If God wants all men to be saved, then why does St. Paul say (Rom. 9:22) that there are &#8220;vessels of wrath made for destruction&#8221; and why does St. Peter say &#8220;for they stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do&#8221;? (1 Pet. 2:8) (19&#8242;)</p>
<p><strong>7</strong>. If our being saved or being lost depends fundamentally on whether we cooperate or do not cooperate with grace, then why does St. Paul say that &#8220;it is not of him that wills or runs, but of God that shows mercy&#8221; (<a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rom+9%3A16">&#82;&#111;&#109;&#32;&#57;&#58;&#49;&#54;</a>) Why does St. Paul in Romans 9 seem to make election depend not on human choice but on God&#8217;s sovereign and inscrutable will? (24&#8242;)</p>
<p><strong>8</strong>. Does the possession of sanctifying grace require conscious explicit faith in Jesus as the Son of God? If not, how is the Council&#8217;s teaching different from Rahner&#8217;s &#8220;anonymous Christian&#8221;? If it requires faith, then how can the Catechism speak of atheists possibly attaining salvation? [Note: the Catechism does not speak of atheists as such possibly attaining salvation. The questioner was referring to <a href="http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19641121_lumen-gentium_en.html" target="_blank"><em>Lumen Gentium</em></a> 16] (26&#8242;)</p>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_9926" class="footnote"> The doctrine of God&#8217;s universal salvific will is not to be confused with universalism, the claim that all men are saved, or with what is called &#8216;hopeful universalism,&#8217; which I have addressed <a href="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/05/predestination-john-calvin-vs-thomas-aquinas/comment-page-1/#comment-20411" target="_blank">here</a>. </li><li id="footnote_1_9926" class="footnote"> The Church, following the apostles, teaches that Christ died for all men without exception: &#8220;There is not, never has been, and never will be a single human being for whom Christ did not suffer.&#8221; [Council of Quiercy (853)]. (<a href="http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/605.htm" target="_blank">CCC 605</a>) </li><li id="footnote_2_9926" class="footnote"> For more excerpts from the Church Fathers on this subject see section 54 of Fr. Mosts&#8217;s book <a href="http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/most/getchap.cfm?WorkNum=214&#038;ChapNum=9" target="_blank"><em>Grace, Predestination, and the Universal Salvific Will of God</em></a>. </li><li id="footnote_3_9926" class="footnote"> This denial was in turn based on their notion of original sin, explained <a href="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2011/10/protestant-objections-to-the-catholic-doctrines-of-original-justice-and-original-sin/" target="_blank">here</a>, and their not distinguishing between actual grace and sanctifying grace, explained <a href="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2011/11/lawrence-feingold-on-sanctifying-grace-and-actual-grace/" target="_blank">here</a>. </li><li id="footnote_4_9926" class="footnote"> The distinction between antecedent and consequent will should not be confused with the Reformed distinction between preceptive will and decretive will. The former distinction allows for it to be true without contradiction that God desires all men to be saved and yet not all men are saved; but without the former distinction the latter distinction undermines the possibility of an authentic universal salvific will in God. If God commands that a person repent, but then, not on the basis of foreseen rejection of grace by that person, refuses to give sufficient grace for that person to repent, not only does God not truly desire that person&#8217;s salvation, but God has fallen into a performative contradiction, saying one thing, but doing something contrary to what He says. Either He does not mean what He says, in which case He is not the Truth, or He rebels against Himself, in which case He is in need of salvation. The notion that there are two actual contrary wills in God (in which neither will involves an abstraction from what God knows about human choices) is not only a theological schizophrenia, it is also a form of Manichean dualism. Calvinists use Scriptural examples of the difference between what is in fact divine antecedent will and divine consequent will, as though this supports a decretive-preceptive distinction not based on an antecedent-consequent distinction. John Piper does that, for example, in his &#8220;<a href="http://www.desiringgod.org/resource-library/articles/are-there-two-wills-in-god" target="_blank">Are There Two Wills in God?</a>,&#8221; and so do Luther, Calvin, Turretin, etc. &#8212; see <a href="http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=4727" target="_blank">here</a>. But while an antecedent-consequent distinction avoids theological schizophrenia, because the former is an abstraction, the decretive-preceptive distinction without the antecedent-consequent distinction does not avoid theological schizophrenia, because neither the decretive nor preceptive will is an abstraction.  </li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2011/11/lawrence-feingold-on-gods-universal-salvific-will/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>1</slash:comments>
<enclosure url="http://hebrewca.ipower.com/SoundFiles/S9L08GodsUniversalSalvificWill.mp3" length="17533161" type="audio/mpeg" />
<enclosure url="http://hebrewca.ipower.com/SoundFiles/S9L08GodsUniversalSalvificWillQ.mp3" length="7388977" type="audio/mpeg" />
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Why John Calvin did not Recognize the Distinction Between Mortal and Venial Sin</title>
		<link>http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2011/11/why-john-calvin-did-not-recognize-the-distinction-between-mortal-and-venial-sin/</link>
		<comments>http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2011/11/why-john-calvin-did-not-recognize-the-distinction-between-mortal-and-venial-sin/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2011 22:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Cross</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Blog Posts]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Calvinism]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mortal Sin]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Sin]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Venial Sin]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.calledtocommunion.com/?p=9811</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Catholics and Protestants agree on many points regarding sin, but the Catholic Church makes a distinction generally not found in Protestant theologies: the distinction between mortal and venial sin. John Calvin rejected the distinction between mortal and venial sin, and Protestantism has largely followed Calvin on this point. Calvin rejected it because he did not [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">Catholics and Protestants agree on many points regarding sin, but the Catholic Church makes a distinction generally not found in Protestant theologies: the distinction between mortal and venial sin. John Calvin rejected the distinction between mortal and venial sin, and Protestantism has largely followed Calvin on this point. Calvin rejected it because he did not see it clearly laid out in Scripture, and also because he viewed sin primarily in legal terms. For Calvin, all sin is a rebellion against God&#8217;s law, and therefore deserving of eternal punishment. Therefore for Calvin all sin even committed by those who have come to faith in Christ is mortal sin in what it deserves, but is venial in the sense that it is covered by the merits of Christ, so that those who have come to faith never lose their justification.</p>
<p><span id="more-9811"></span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/CalvinLrg.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-9825" title="CalvinLrg" src="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/CalvinLrg.jpg" alt="" width="590" height="725" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Calvin writes:</p>
<blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">For in every little transgression of the divinely commanded law, God&#8217;s authority is set aside. &#8230; [S]ince God has explained his will in the Law, every thing contrary to the Law is displeasing to him. Will they feign that the wrath of God is so disarmed that the punishment of death will not forthwith follow upon it? He has declared &#8230; &#8220;The soul that sinneth it shall die,&#8221; (Ezek. 18:20). Again, in the passage lately quoted, &#8220;The wages of sin is death.&#8221; &#8230; [L]et the children of God remember that all sin is mortal, because it is rebellion against the will of God, and necessarily provokes his anger; and because it is a violation of the Law, against every violation of which, without exception, the judgment of God has been pronounced. The faults of the saints are indeed venial, not, however, in their own nature, but because, through the mercy of God, they obtain pardon. (<em>Institutes</em> II.8.59)</p>
</blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Later in the <em>Institutes</em> Calvin writes:</p>
<blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Here they take refuge in the absurd distinction that some sins are venial and others mortal; &#8230;. Thus they insult and trifle with God. And yet, though they have the terms venial and mortal sin continually in their mouth, they have not yet been able to distinguish the one from the other, except by making impiety and impurity of heart to be venial sin. We, on the contrary, taught by the Scripture standard of righteousness and unrighteousness, declare that “the wages of sin is death;” and that “the soul that sinneth, it shall die,” (Rom. 6:23; Ezek. 18:20). The sins of believers are venial, not because they do not merit death, but because by the mercy of God there is “now no condemnation to those which are in Christ Jesus” their sin being not imputed, but effaced by pardon. (<em>Institutes</em>, III.4.28)</p>
</blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The substance of Calvin&#8217;s argument is that all sin is a violation of God&#8217;s law, and is therefore a rebellion against the will of God. But the wages of any rebellion against God&#8217;s will is eternal death, and therefore all sin is mortal sin. The sins of the saints are all venial only in the sense that though each sin deserves eternal condemnation, yet on account of the righteousness of Christ having been imputed to the saints, none of their sins is in effect mortal.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">And the Westminster Confession of Faith follows Calvin in this:</p>
<blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">[T]here is no sin so small, but it deserves damnation. (WCF XV.4)</p>
</blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">In this respect Calvin and the Westminster Confession departed from the longstanding teaching of the Church. For example, St. Augustine of Hippo wrote:</p>
<blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">For as, on the one hand, there are certain venial sins which do not hinder the righteous man from the attainment of eternal life, and which are unavoidable in this life, so, on the other hand, there are some good works which are of no avail to an ungodly man towards the attainment of everlasting life, although it would be very difficult to find the life of any very bad man whatever entirely without them. (<em>On the Spirit and the Letter</em>, 48)</p>
</blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Elsewhere he wrote:</p>
<blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">He is worse who steals through coveting, than he who steals through pity: but if all theft be sin, from all theft we must abstain. For who can say that people may sin, even though one sin be damnable, another venial? (<em>Against Lying</em>, VIII.19)</p>
</blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Again, he wrote:</p>
<blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">He, however, is not unreasonably said to walk blamelessly, not who has already reached the end of his journey, but who is pressing on towards the end in a blameless manner, free from damnable sins, and at the same time not neglecting to cleanse by almsgiving such sins as are venial. For the way in which we walk, that is, the road by which we reach perfection, is cleansed by clean prayer. That, however, is a clean prayer in which we say in truth, &#8220;Forgive us, as we ourselves forgive.&#8221; (<em>Concerning Man&#8217;s Perfection in Righteousness</em>, IX)</p>
</blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">In another place he wrote:</p>
<blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Accordingly, if any Christian man loves a harlot, and, attaching himself to her, becomes one body, he has not now Christ for a foundation. But if any one loves his own wife, and loves her as Christ would have him love her, who can doubt that he has Christ for a foundation? But if he loves her in the world’s fashion, carnally, as the disease of lust prompts him, and as the Gentiles love who know not God, even this the apostle, or rather Christ by the apostle, allows as a venial fault. And therefore even such a man may have Christ for a foundation. For so long as he does not prefer such an affection or pleasure to Christ, Christ is his foundation, though on it he builds wood, hay, stubble; and therefore he shall be saved as by fire. For the fire of affliction shall burn such luxurious pleasures and earthly loves, though they be not damnable, because enjoyed in lawful wedlock. And of this fire the fuel is bereavement, and all those calamities which consume these joys. Consequently the superstructure will be loss to him who has built it, for he shall not retain it, but shall be agonized by the loss of those things in the enjoyment of which he found pleasure. But by this fire he shall be saved through virtue of the foundation, because even if a persecutor demanded whether he would retain Christ or these things, he would prefer Christ. (<em>City of God</em>, XI.26)</p>
</blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">And elsewhere he writes:</p>
<blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">While he is in the flesh, man cannot help but have at least some light sins. But do not despise these sins which we call &#8220;light&#8221;: if you take them for light when you weigh them, tremble when you count them. A number of light objects makes a great mass; a number of drops fills a river; a number of grains makes a heap. What then is our hope? Above all, confession. (<em>In ep. Jo</em>. 1,6)</p>
</blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">To the Catechumens being prepared to be received into the Church through baptism, St. Augustine preached the following:</p>
<blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">I do not tell you that you will live here without sin; but they are venial, without which this life is not. For the sake of all sins was Baptism provided; for the sake of light sins, without which we cannot be, was prayer provided. What has the Prayer? “Forgive us our debts, as we also forgive our debtors.” Once for all we have washing in Baptism, every day we have washing in prayer. Only, do not commit those things for which you must needs be separated from Christ’s body: which be far from you! For those whom you have seen doing penance, have committed heinous things, either adulteries or some enormous crimes: for these they do penance. Because if theirs had been light sins, to blot out these daily prayer would suffice. In three ways then are sins remitted in the Church; by Baptism, by prayer, by the greater humility of penance; yet God does not remit sins but to the baptized. The very sins which He remits first, He remits not but to the baptized. When? When they are baptized. The sins which are after remitted upon prayer, upon penance, to whom He remits, it is to the baptized that He remits. (<em>Sermon to Catechumens on the Creed</em>)</p>
</blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">According to St. Augustine, our venial sins committed after baptism are remitted through prayer. If a person commits a mortal sin, then he must be reconciled to the Church through the sacrament of penance; prayer is not sufficient.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">St. Augustine refers to venial sins in a number of other places as well. He refers to it so often, and in passing, that it is clear that he is not saying something controversial in his time, something novel or needing to be supported or defended. He writes about the distinction between mortal and venial sin as something taken for granted. But his conception of venial sin is not like that of Calvin&#8217;s. Calvin thought all sin deserved eternal punishment, but that the sins of the saints were venial only in the sense that they do not pay any penalty for committing them, not because they are light sins not deserving of eternal punishment, as St. Augustine thought.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Roughly two hundred years later, Pope St. Gregory the Great (AD 590-604) wrote:</p>
<blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Our Lord saith in the Gospel: <em>Walk whiles you have the light</em>: and by his Prophet he saith: <em>In time accepted have I heard thee, and in the day of salvation have I holpen thee</em>: which the Apostle St. Paul expounding, saith: <em>Behold, now is the time acceptable; behold, now the day of salvation</em>. Solomon, likewise, saith: <em>Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, work it instantly: for neither work, nor reason, nor knowledge, nor wisdom shall be in hell, whither thou dost hasten</em>. David also saith: <em>Because his mercy is for ever</em>. By which sayings it is plain, that in such state as a man departeth out of this life, in the same he is presented in judgment before God. But yet we must believe that before the day of judgment there is a Purgatory fire for certain small sins: because our Saviour saith, <em>that he which speaketh blasphemy against the holy Ghost, that it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come</em>. Out of which sentence we learn, that some sins are forgiven in this world, and some other may be pardoned in the next: for that which is denied concerning one sin, is consequently understood to be granted touching some other. But yet this, as I said, we have not to believe but only concerning little and very small sins, as, for example, daily idle talk, immoderate laughter, negligence in the care of our family (which kind of offences scarce can they avoid, that know in what sort sin is to be shunned), ignorant errors in matters of no great weight: all which sins be punished after death, if men procured not pardon and remission for them in their lifetime: for when St. Paul saith, that <em>Christ is the foundation</em>: and by and by addeth: <em>And if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble: the work of every one, of what kind it is, the fire shall try. If any man&#8217;s work abide which he built thereupon, he shall receive reward; if any mans work burn, he shall suffer detriment, but himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire</em>. For although these words may be understood of the fire of tribulation, which men suffer in this world: yet if any will interpret them of the fire of Purgatory, which shall be in the next life: then must he carefully consider, that the Apostle said not that he may be saved by fire, that buildeth upon this foundation iron, brass, or lead, that is, the greater sort of sins, and therefore more hard, and consequently not remissible in that place: but wood, hay, stubble, that is, little and very light sins, which the fire doth easily consume. Yet we have here further to consider, that none can be there purged, no, not for the least sins that be, unless in his lifetime he deserved by virtuous works to find such favour in that place. (<a href="http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/gregory_04_dialogues_book4.htm#C39" target="_blank"><em>Dialogues</em> IV.39</a>.)</p>
</blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">In the thirteenth century St. Thomas Aquinas explained the difference between mortal and venial sin, as follows:</p>
<blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Now the difference between venial and mortal sin is consequent to the diversity of that inordinateness which constitutes the notion [i.e. definition] of sin. For inordinateness is twofold, one that destroys the principle of order, and another which, without destroying the principle of order, implies inordinateness in the things which follow the principle: thus, in an animal&#8217;s body, the frame may be so out of order that the vital principle is destroyed; this is the inordinateness of death; while, on the other hand, saving the vital principle, there may be disorder in the bodily humors; and then there is sickness. Now the principle of the entire moral order is the last end, which stands in the same relation to matters of action, as the indemonstrable principle does to matters of speculation (<em>Ethic</em>. vii, 8). Therefore when the soul is so disordered by sin as to turn away from its last end, viz. God, to Whom it is united by charity, there is mortal sin; but when it is disordered without turning away from God, there is venial sin. For even as in the body, the disorder of death which results from the destruction of the principle of life, is irreparable according to nature, while the disorder of sickness can be repaired by reason of the vital principle being preserved, so it is in matters concerning the soul. Because, in speculative matters, it is impossible to convince one who errs in the principles, whereas one who errs, but retains the principles, can be brought back to the truth by means of the principles. Likewise in practical matters, he who, by sinning, turns away from his last end, if we consider the nature of his sin, falls irreparably, and therefore is said to sin mortally and to deserve eternal punishment: whereas when a man sins without turning away from God, by the very nature of his sin, his disorder can be repaired, because the principle of the order is not destroyed; wherefore he is said to sin venially, because, to wit, he does not sin so as to deserve to be punished eternally. (<em>Summa Theologica</em> I-II Q.72 a.5 co.)<sup><a href="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2011/11/why-john-calvin-did-not-recognize-the-distinction-between-mortal-and-venial-sin/#footnote_0_9811" id="identifier_0_9811" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" See also Summa Theologica I-II Q.87 a.5. ">1</a></sup></p>
</blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">St. Thomas distinguishes between mortal and venial sin by explaining that mortal sin destroys the supernatural virtue of <em>agape</em> in the soul, and <em>agape</em> is the principle by which we are directed to heaven as our supernatural end. If <em>agape</em> is lost, the person is no longer ordered toward heaven, but instead toward some creature (e.g. himself) as his highest end. And he cannot be restored to friendship with God except by the power of God, since <em>agape</em> is supernatural, and we cannot give to ourselves what we do not have. Venial sins, by contrast, do not destroy <em>agape</em> from the soul, but are disordered in relation to the <em>agape</em> within the soul.<sup><a href="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2011/11/why-john-calvin-did-not-recognize-the-distinction-between-mortal-and-venial-sin/#footnote_1_9811" id="identifier_1_9811" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" See Summa Theologica I-II Q.88 a.1. ">2</a></sup></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Some articles later he explains why venial sins do no incur a debt of eternal punishment:</p>
<blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">As stated above (Article 3), a sin incurs a debt of eternal punishment, in so far as it causes an irreparable disorder in the order of Divine justice, through being contrary to the very principle of that order, viz. the last end. Now it is evident that in some sins there is disorder indeed, but such as not to involve contrariety in respect of the last end, but only in respect of things referable to the end, in so far as one is too much or too little intent on them without prejudicing the order to the last end: as, for instance, when a man is too fond of some temporal thing, yet would not offend God for its sake, by breaking one of His commandments. Consequently such sins do not incur everlasting, but only temporal punishment. (<a href="http://www.newadvent.org/summa/2087.htm#article5" target="_blank"><em>Summa Theologica</em> I-II Q.87 a.5.</a>)</p>
</blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">According to St. Thomas, those sins that destroy charity in the soul cause an irreparable disorder, and therefore incur eternal punishment if the person dies in that state. Some sins are not in themselves contrary to the last end (i.e. God) because the disorder in these sins is not contrary to the last end <em>per se</em>, but only to the perfection of those acts directed to that end. As an example, St. Thomas describes a man who is too fond of some temporal thing, but would not offend God for the sake of this temporal thing. Because these sins are not contrary to the last end <em>per se</em>, they do not incur everlasting punishment, but only temporal punishment.<sup><a href="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2011/11/why-john-calvin-did-not-recognize-the-distinction-between-mortal-and-venial-sin/#footnote_2_9811" id="identifier_2_9811" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" See &amp;#8220;Indulgences, the Treasury of Merit and the Communion of Saints.&amp;#8221; ">3</a></sup> What makes a sin mortal, and another venial, is therefore whether the disorder in the will is incompatible with the virtue of <em>agape</em> or disordered yet still compatible with <em>agape</em>. St. Thomas writes:</p>
<blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">When the will sets itself upon something that is of its nature incompatible with the charity that orients man toward his ultimate end, then the sin is mortal by its very object . . . whether it contradicts the love of God, such as blasphemy or perjury, or the love of neighbor, such as homicide or adultery. . . . But when the sinner&#8217;s will is set upon something that of its nature involves a disorder, but is not opposed to the love of God and neighbor, such as thoughtless chatter or immoderate laughter and the like, such sins are venial. (<a href="http://www.newadvent.org/summa/2088.htm#article2" target="_blank"><em>Summa Theologica</em> I-II Q.88 a.2</a>.)<sup><a href="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2011/11/why-john-calvin-did-not-recognize-the-distinction-between-mortal-and-venial-sin/#footnote_3_9811" id="identifier_3_9811" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title=" See also Summa Theologica II-II Q.24 a.10. ">4</a></sup></p>
</blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">And in continuity with the Tradition handed down from the Church Fathers, the Catholic Church teaches the same. The Church teaches that salvation is ultimately and irreducibly <strong>personal</strong> in this sense: salvation is a loving union of human persons with the Divine Persons, and thereby with all those other created persons, human and angelic, also in loving communion with God. So until we are perfectly united to God in the beatific vision, in this life our freedom is such that we can choose to turn away from loving God. This turning away from God can take place in a single free act. And that is what mortal sin is. It does not have to be an act of apostasy, i.e. abandoning of faith. A person can commit a mortal sin and still affirm the Creed. Mortal sin is in the will, when a person chooses with full knowledge and complete consent, to love some creature over God, whether or not he maintains belief in all the articles of faith. The Catechism teaches:</p>
<blockquote><p>Mortal sin is a radical possibility of human freedom, as is love itself. It results in the loss of charity and the privation of sanctifying grace, that is, of the state of grace. If it is not redeemed by repentance and God&#8217;s forgiveness, it causes exclusion from Christ&#8217;s kingdom and the eternal death of hell, for our freedom has the power to make choices for ever, with no turning back. (<a href="http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/1861.htm" target="_blank">CCC 1861</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">One act of mortal sin destroys charity (i.e. <em>agape</em>) in the heart:</p>
<blockquote><p>Mortal sin destroys charity in the heart of man by a grave violation of God&#8217;s law; it turns man away from God, who is his ultimate end and his beatitude, by preferring an inferior good to him. Venial sin allows charity to subsist, even though it offends and wounds it. (<a href="http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/1855.htm" target=_blank">CCC 1855</a>. )</p></blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">According to the Catechism mortal sin destroys charity in the heart by a grave violation of God&#8217;s law. For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: &#8220;Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent.&#8221; (<a href="http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/1857.htm" target="_blank">CCC 1857</a>) Mortal sin turns man away from God, who is his ultimate end and his beatitude, by preferring an inferior good to Him.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">To cease to adhere to God as our final end and to cease giving ourselves to Him for His own sake, is to commit mortal sin. That can be expressed in different kinds of mortal sins (e.g. murder, adultery, etc.) but this is what makes a mortal sin a <strong>mortal</strong> sin, namely, that in committing this act, with full knowledge and complete consent, we are choosing to make ourselves (or some other creature) our final end, and act not out of love for God as our final end, but love for some creature. And no man can serve two masters. Hence no man can love some creature (e.g. himself) as his highest end, and love God as his highest end. To choose to make oneself one&#8217;s own god, is to vanquish charity from the soul.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Venial sin, by contrast, is sin in which, though God remains our final end whom we love for His sake, our action deviates from the means by which to attain that end. In venial sin the believer retains love for God as his highest end, but falls short in the order by which he moves toward God as his highest end. Venial sin thus allows charity to subsist, even though it offends, wounds, and weakens charity. Deliberate and unrepented venial sin disposes us little by little to commit mortal sin. (<a href="http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/1863.htm" target="_blank">CCC 1863</a>) But venial sin does not in itself deprive us of charity, sanctifying grace, or eternal life. We experience this sort of distinction even in ordinary friendships, where we understand the difference between an act that hurts the friend but in which the offender still loves the other person, and an act making it clear that the person does not love the other person &#8212; and this sort of act destroys the friendship.</p>
<p><strong>The Explanation of Calvin&#8217;s Error</strong></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">So why did Calvin reject the distinction between mortal and venial sins? Calvin, having been trained as a lawyer, approached the question of righteousness under the concept of law, and therefore conceived of righteousness fundamentally in term in terms of law-keeping. From that point of view, there is no basis for a distinction between mortal sins and venial sins. Sin is a transgression of the law of God, and although one could acknowledge that not all sins are of equal gravity, nevertheless, it would (from that point of view) be entirely <em>ad hoc</em> to claim that some violations of God&#8217;s law deserve eternal punishment, while others do not. Violation of God&#8217;s law is violation of God&#8217;s law, opposing God and therefore deserving of eternal separation from God. End of discussion.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Calvin&#8217;s theology does not show a grasp of the relation of love to the fulfillment of the law. For St. Augustine, however, this is the very heart of the gospel, that by the <a href="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2011/11/lawrence-feingold-on-sanctifying-grace-and-actual-grace/" target="_blank">sanctifying grace</a> merited for us by the work of Christ, the <em>agape</em> of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit, and only by this <em>agape</em> is the law of God fulfilled in us. See &#8220;<a href="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2010/07/st-augustine-on-law-and-grace/" target="_blank">St. Augustine on Law and Grace</a>.&#8221; Over and over St. Augustine repeats the Scriptural teaching that love fulfills the law (Rom. 13:8,10; Gal. 5:14).</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">According to St. Augustine, the infused grace given to us in baptism through the work of Christ is the fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecy that God would take away their stony hearts, and write the law on their hearts (Jer. 31:33; Ez. 36:26). He would do this by pouring out grace and <em>agape</em> into our hearts. (Rom. 5:5) This is the whole purpose of the gospel, to bring about the &#8220;obedience of faith&#8221; (Rom. 1:5; 16:26) that fulfills the law through living faith [faith informed by <em>agape</em>], so that we might attain to union with God in the beatific vision; this &#8220;obedience of faith&#8221; is the faith that works through love. This love is the law-written-on-the-heart (<a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rom+2%3A15%2C+29">&#82;&#111;&#109;&#32;&#50;&#58;&#49;&#53;&#44;&#32;&#50;&#57;</a>), which is the &#8220;new life of the Spirit&#8221; in contrast to &#8220;the old written code.&#8221; (<a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rom+7%3A6">&#82;&#111;&#109;&#32;&#55;&#58;&#54;</a>) This living faith is itself a gift of grace, through Christ, (<a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rom+3%3A24">&#82;&#111;&#109;&#32;&#51;&#58;&#50;&#52;</a>); it makes us &#8220;doers of the law&#8221; who will be justified on that Day. (<a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rom+2%3A13">&#82;&#111;&#109;&#32;&#50;&#58;&#49;&#51;</a>) By writing the law on our hearts through the infusion of sanctifying grace and <em>agape</em>, the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus sets us free from the law of sin and death, (Rom. 8:2) doing what the written code could not do. In this way, the requirement of the law is fulfilled <strong>in</strong> us in the way that we walk, walking not according to the flesh, but walking according to the <em>agape</em> infused into us by the indwelling Spirit. (Rom. 8:4)</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Through Christ&#8217;s obedience unto death, we receive the infused grace and <em>agape</em> by which we are made righteous. (Rom. 5:17,19) St. Paul argues that our justification is by living faith, not by [dead] works (Rom. 3:28), precisely because what matters, and what has always mattered, is whether or not there is <em>agape</em> in the heart. Only the heart having living faith is the heart that has the &#8220;righteousness of faith.&#8221; (Rom. 4:13) By our union with Christ through baptism we have died to sin so that we might walk in newness of life. (Rom. 6:2,4) <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+6%3A14">&#82;&#111;&#109;&#97;&#110;&#115;&#32;&#54;&#58;&#49;&#52;</a> would be a <em>non sequitur</em> if St. Paul were not writing about sanctifying grace. By this infused sanctifying grace and indwelling of the Spirit we have become &#8220;obedient from the heart,&#8221; (<a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rom+6%3A17">&#82;&#111;&#109;&#32;&#54;&#58;&#49;&#55;</a>) set free from sin and become slaves of righteousness, putting to death the deeds of the flesh (<a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rom+8%3A13">&#82;&#111;&#109;&#32;&#56;&#58;&#49;&#51;</a>)</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">This is what the Pharisees had not understood. St. Paul explains that the Gentiles attained the righteousness that is by living faith, while Israel though pursuing the righteousness that is conceived as keeping the [external] written code, thereby failed to attain the true righteousness that comes only by infused living faith. Why did Israel fail? Because they did not pursue it through living faith, but as though it could be attained by mere external works. (Rom. 9:30-32)</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Ironically, however, Calvin mistakenly conceives righteousness as did the Pharisees, namely, as perfect fulfillment of the written law, and not as infused <em>agape</em> by which the law is truly fulfilled. Therefore for Calvin every infraction of the law is worthy of eternal damnation, and there is no basis for the mortal/venial distinction.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The role of <em>agape</em> in fulfilling the law allows for a principled difference between violations of the law that are incompatible with <em>agape</em> and violations of the law that are compatible with <em>agape</em>. And that is precisely what differentiates mortal and venial sins, respectively. Because <em>agape</em> fulfills the law (<a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rom+13%3A8%2C10">&#82;&#111;&#109;&#32;&#49;&#51;&#58;&#56;&#44;&#49;&#48;</a>; <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Gal+5%3A14">&#71;&#97;&#108;&#32;&#53;&#58;&#49;&#52;</a>), there is a distinction between sins that go against <em>agape</em>, and sins that fall short of the perfect expression of <em>agape</em> but do not go against <em>agape</em>. In this way differences in the condition of the heart from which a disordered action comes, with respect to <em>agape</em>, allow for a principled difference between mortal and venial sins. But if one approaches the question of sin only from the point of view of the letter of the law, one cannot see the basis for any such distinction.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Calvin thinks that <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+2%3A10">&#74;&#97;&#109;&#101;&#115;&#32;&#50;&#58;&#49;&#48;</a> supports his position. &#8220;For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.&#8221; (<a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+2%3A10">&#74;&#97;&#109;&#101;&#115;&#32;&#50;&#58;&#49;&#48;</a>) He likewise takes &#8220;the soul that sins, it shall die&#8221; (Ez. 18:20) as supporting his position. But the Catholic understanding of these verses is that they are about mortal sin, and it would be question-begging to hang the justification for a schism on the assumption that there is no such thing as venial sin, and that St. Augustine <em>et al</em> were wrong about the existence of venial sin.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The passage in James would not make sense if it were not indirectly referring to some principle that underlies the law, namely, <em>agape</em>. How does a person who steals thereby violate all the other commands of the law? He does so by going against the <em>agape</em> that fulfills the whole law. And therefore the kind of violation of the law in view here in this verse is best understood as one that is contrary to <em>agape</em>. If we go &#8216;behind&#8217; the law to see the role that <em>agape</em> is playing in the fulfillment of the law, then instead of making righteousness equivalent to fulfilling the letter, we can see righteousness as the fulfillment of the spirit, even when we fall short in the letter.</p>
<p><strong>Other Scripture Evidence</strong></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The distinction between mortal and venial sin can be found in other passages as well. St. Peter says, &#8220;Above all hold unfailing your love for one another, since love covers a multitude of sins.&#8221; (<a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Peter+4%3A8">&#49;&#32;&#80;&#101;&#116;&#101;&#114;&#32;&#52;&#58;&#56;</a>) As long as <em>agape</em> remains in the soul, venial sins are not damning, because they do not remove the person from a state of grace.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">St. John at the end of his first epistle makes a distinction between two essentially different types of sin: a sin that leads to death, and a sin that does not lead to death. Elsewhere in the epistle he says that no one who is born of God sins (<a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+3%3A9%3B+5%3A18">&#49;&#32;&#74;&#111;&#104;&#110;&#32;&#51;&#58;&#57;&#59;&#32;&#53;&#58;&#49;&#56;</a>), but in the same epistle he says that if we say we have no sin we are deceiving ourselves and making God a liar (<a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+1%3A8%2C+10">&#49;&#32;&#74;&#111;&#104;&#110;&#32;&#49;&#58;&#56;&#44;&#32;&#49;&#48;</a>). Those four verses are reconciled with each other by the mortal/venial distinction St. John makes at the end of his letter. (<a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+5%3A16-17">&#49;&#32;&#74;&#111;&#104;&#110;&#32;&#53;&#58;&#49;&#54;&#45;&#49;&#55;</a>) The meaning is that no one who is born of God commits mortal sins; to do so would be to drive out the life of God and <em>agape</em> and the indwelling Holy Spirit. But if any Christian were to say that he had no venial sins, he would be deceiving himself. St. John distinguishes mortal and venial sins at the end of his epistle:</p>
<blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask and [God] shall give life to him, to those committing sin not leading to death. There is a sin leading to death. I am not saying he should ask for that kind. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is a sin that does not lead to death. (<a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+5%3A16-17">&#49;&#32;&#74;&#111;&#104;&#110;&#32;&#53;&#58;&#49;&#54;&#45;&#49;&#55;</a>)</p>
</blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">St. John is not writing here about unbelievers who have never been regenerated. He is writing about believers (&#8220;a brother&#8221;) who commit venial sins. In this passage he makes an explicit distinction between a sin that does not lead to death, and a sin that leads to death. But, he makes the distinction between mortal and venial sins, and implies that someone who has fallen into mortal sin is in a very different condition from that of someone who has fallen into venial sin.</p>
<p>Concerning this passage St. Jerome writes:</p>
<blockquote><p style="text-align: justify;">Some offenses are light, some heavy. It is one thing to owe ten thousand talents, another to owe a farthing. We shall have to give account of the idle word no less than of adultery; but it is not the same thing to be put to the blush, and to be put upon the rack, to grow red in the face and to ensure lasting torment. Do you think I am merely expressing my own views? Hear what the Apostle John says: <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+5%3A16">&#49;&#32;&#74;&#111;&#104;&#110;&#32;&#53;&#58;&#49;&#54;</a> He who knows that his brother sins a sin not unto death, let him ask, and he shall give him life, even to him that sins not unto death. But he that has sinned unto death, who shall pray for him? You observe that if we entreat for smaller offenses, we obtain pardon: if for greater ones, it is difficult to obtain our request: and that there is a great difference between sins. (<a href="http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/30092.htm" target="_blank">Against Jovinianus, II</a>.30.) </p>
</blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Fellow Christians can through their prayers bring healing and restoration to the brother whom they see committing a venial sin. But while we can and should intercede for the repentance of the person in mortal sin, he cannot be restored except through the sacrament of penance administered through the clergy. The person who has fallen into mortal sin has fallen from grace, and so cannot be restored except by the Church (i.e. by the bishop or priest), through the sacrament of penance. The prayer of a brother is not sufficient to restore the one who has fallen into mortal sin &#8212; he must go to confession.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">My point in citing this passage, however, is to show that in Scripture there is a clear reference to a sin that does not lead to death, alongside of a sin that does lead to death. And the existence of a sin that does not lead to death, which for St. John is not simply any sin that a believer happens to commit, is incompatible with the Calvinist notion that every sin is deserving of eternal punishment.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">This distinction between mortal and venial sin makes possible the truth of many passages in the Old Testament, such as &#8220;Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his time.&#8221; (<a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Gen+6%3A9">&#71;&#101;&#110;&#32;&#54;&#58;&#57;</a>) This is how Job was blameless and upright. (<a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+1%3A1%2C8%3B+2%3A3">&#74;&#111;&#98;&#32;&#49;&#58;&#49;&#44;&#56;&#59;&#32;&#50;&#58;&#51;</a>) This is how Joseph was a &#8220;righteous man.&#8221; (Mt. 1:19) This is how Abraham could have a discussion with God about the &#8220;righteous&#8221; and the wicked in Sodom; that conversation would not have been possible if all people are unrighteous. Does that mean that Noah never sinned? No, as <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ecclesiastes+7%3A20">&#69;&#99;&#99;&#108;&#101;&#115;&#105;&#97;&#115;&#116;&#101;&#115;&#32;&#55;&#58;&#50;&#48;</a> says, &#8220;there is not a righteous man on earth who continually does good and who never sins.&#8221; So Noah was both righteous and blameless, and yet not without sin. That is because though he sinned venially, he did not sin mortally. And that is true of all the Old Testament saints who died in friendship with God. They fulfilled the law not necessarily in the letter, but in the spirit of the law, which is the essence of the law. And the spirit of the law is <em>agape</em>. Because they had <em>agape</em>, they fulfilled the law, for as St. Paul teaches, <em>agape</em> fulfills the law (<a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rom+13%3A8%2C+10">&#82;&#111;&#109;&#32;&#49;&#51;&#58;&#56;&#44;&#32;&#49;&#48;</a>; <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Gal+5%3A14">&#71;&#97;&#108;&#32;&#53;&#58;&#49;&#52;</a>, <a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+2%3A8">&#74;&#97;&#109;&#101;&#115;&#32;&#50;&#58;&#56;</a>).</p>
<p><strong>The Greatest Commandment and Venial Sin</strong></p>
<blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. (<a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+22%3A37">&#77;&#97;&#116;&#116;&#104;&#101;&#119;&#32;&#50;&#50;&#58;&#51;&#55;</a>)</p>
</blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Calvin refers to this verse in the <em>Institutes</em>, writing:</p>
<blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">When the mind, under the influence of distrust, looks elsewhere or is seized with some sudden desire to transfer its blessedness to some other quarter, whence are these movements, however evanescent, but just because there is some empty corner in the soul to receive such temptations? And, not to lengthen out the discussion, there is a precept to love God with the whole heart, and mind, and soul; and, therefore, if all the powers of the soul are not directed to the love of God, there is a departure from the obedience of the Law; because those internal enemies which rise up against the dominion of God, and countermand his edicts prove that his throne is not well established in our consciences. It has been shown that the last commandment goes to this extent. Has some undue longing sprung up in our mind? Then we are chargeable with covetousness, and stand convicted as transgressors of the Law. (<em>Institutes</em>, II.8.58)</p>
</blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">For Calvin, if a wayward or inordinate thought or desire springs into the mind, then one has violated the command to love God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength. One is therefore deserving of eternal damnation. This is in part because for Calvin concupiscence is sin. Disordered desires are themselves hateful in God&#8217;s sight, and thus sufficient (apart from extrinsic imputation of Christ&#8217;s righteousness) to damn a soul. I have addressed that in &#8220;<a href="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2011/10/protestant-objections-to-the-catholic-doctrines-of-original-justice-and-original-sin/" target="_blank">Protestant Objections to the Catholic Doctrines of Original Justice and Original Sin</a>.&#8221;</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Nevertheless, when Protestants hear or read this verse, they tend to think of the command in terms of exclusive and absolutely maximal conative exertion. So the feeling is a bit like running a long race, and then, after completing it, asking yourself whether possibly you could have dug down deeper, and given some additional effort. And usually it is very difficult to believe that you could not have given some additional modicum of effort at some point in the race. You always think, I probably could have cut off at least another hundredth of a second. I could have done a little more, fought a little harder, pushed myself to go a little faster, endured a little more pain, etc.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">That is the way many Protestants read this verse; it is the way Calvin understood the verse. And so, of course, on that interpretation, it is impossible in this life to love God with all one&#8217;s heart, because no matter how much one loves God, one could always have dug down a little deeper, and loved Him a little more, done some other loving deed for Him, spent a little more time in prayer, given one more cup of cold water to another needy person in His Name, etc. The I-could-have-done-more way of interpreting the standard God calls us to in this verse suggests then (on this view) that God is calling us to recognize that we cannot actually fulfill this command, and that we therefore need someone (i.e. Christ) to do this in our place, and have that active obedience then imputed to our accounts.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">But that is not how this verse is understood in the Catholic tradition. What Christ means by &#8220;all your heart&#8221; is not the degree of conative exertion, but that love of God is the highest end or purpose in the hierarchy of ends in our life. It is a teleological standard, not a conative standard. This is what <em>agape</em> is, a supernatural love for God above [i.e. more than] all other things, for His sake. This is why charity (the Latin term referring to <em>agape</em>) is defined as the virtue by which we adhere to God as our final end and give ourselves to Him for His own sake. That definition captures the meaning of the &#8216;all&#8217; in the command to love God with all our hearts; God is highest (i.e. &#8220;final&#8221;) in the order of ends, and He is highest in that He is not pursued as means to some other end (hence &#8220;for His sake&#8221;.) So love of God, here, is not referring to a feeling or an emotion or affection. It is the supreme act of the will (and the will&#8217;s disposition to this supreme act) to order everything else in one&#8217;s life, including oneself, toward blessing and glorifying God, for His sake. When we order our lives to God as our highest end, even higher than ourselves, and do so for His sake, and not fundamentally in order to get something from Him, that is loving God with all our heart. Of course sometimes this requires self-sacrifice and exertion of the will, to say no to evil, and yes to God, much as a married man must sometimes say no to temptation and yes to fidelity to his spouse. But the degree of exertion of the will is not the meaning of the &#8216;all&#8217; in the command to love God with all our heart. Rather, it is the place of God in the hierarchy of ends in our will.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The quotation from St. Augustine&#8217;s <em>City of God</em> above makes this clear. The man who loves his wife with selfish aspects, but nevertheless &#8220;if a persecutor demanded whether he would retain Christ or these things, he would prefer Christ&#8221; is loving God with all his heart, and is therefore saved. In Calvin&#8217;s theology, what St. Augustine says there makes no sense, but in Catholic theology it makes perfect sense.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Because Protestant theologies generally do not recognize the distinction between mortal sin and venial sin, their tendency is either to treat all sins as mortal (i.e. each in themselves making us deserving of eternal damnation), or all as venial (i.e. incapable of causing a loss of heaven). If all sin were mortal sin, then we would be losing our salvation every day. Protestant theologies seek to get around this problem only by construing salvation as fundamentally juridical. But then salvation is not fundamentally personal. If all sin were mortal, and believers sin every day in thought, word, and deed, then believers would still be dead in their sins, or there would be no fundamental difference between the regenerate and those dead in their sins.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">If, on the other hand, all sins were venial, then again, our relationship with God would be quite independent of what we say and do, both to God and to others. And this too treats salvation as impersonal. So the distinction between mortal and venial sin has significant implications, as does overlooking this distinction. The Catholic doctrine avoids both errors, because it recognizes that love is at the center of our friendship with God, and sin must therefore be understood in relation to love.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><em>Feast of St. Leo the Great</em></p>
<ol class="footnotes"><li id="footnote_0_9811" class="footnote"> See also <em>Summa Theologica</em> I-II Q.87 a.5. </li><li id="footnote_1_9811" class="footnote"> See <a href="http://www.newadvent.org/summa/2088.htm#article1" target="_blank"><em>Summa Theologica</em> I-II Q.88 a.1</a>. </li><li id="footnote_2_9811" class="footnote"> See &#8220;<a href="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2011/01/indulgences-the-treasury-of-merit-and-the-communion-of-saints/" target="_blank">Indulgences, the Treasury of Merit and the Communion of Saints</a>.&#8221; </li><li id="footnote_3_9811" class="footnote"> See also <em>Summa Theologica</em> II-II Q.24 a.10. </li></ol>]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2011/11/why-john-calvin-did-not-recognize-the-distinction-between-mortal-and-venial-sin/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>6</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>&#8220;The Trouble with Calvinism&#8221; &#8211; Catholic Answers Live Interview with David Anders</title>
		<link>http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2011/04/the-trouble-with-calvinism-catholic-answers-live-interview-with-david-anders/</link>
		<comments>http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2011/04/the-trouble-with-calvinism-catholic-answers-live-interview-with-david-anders/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 19:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>David Anders</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Blog Posts]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Calvinism]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.calledtocommunion.com/?p=7777</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[In this interview from April 1, 2011, Catholic Answers host Patrick Coffin and I discuss the life and legacy of John Calvin. Some points of interest include Calvin’s attitude towards “denominationalism,” adultery and divorce in Calvin’s Geneva, Calvin on predestination, Calvin’s relationship to Luther and Augustine, and the theological innovations of Calvin’s successors. Download the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">In this interview from April 1, 2011, Catholic Answers host Patrick Coffin and I discuss the life and legacy of John Calvin. Some points of interest include Calvin’s attitude towards “denominationalism,” adultery and divorce in Calvin’s Geneva, Calvin on predestination, Calvin’s relationship to Luther and Augustine, and the theological innovations of Calvin’s successors.</p>
<p><span id="more-7777"></span></p>

<p>Download the mp3 <a href="http://www.catholic.com/audio/2011/mp3/ca110401a.mp3" target="_blank">here</a>. For other formats, click <a href="http://www.catholic.com/radio/event.php?calendar=1&#038;category=&#038;event=6681&#038;date=2011-04-01" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">&#8220;Catholic Answers Live&#8221; airs live Monday through Friday beginning at 6 P.M. Eastern Time, 3 P.M. Pacific Time, on many AM and FM stations across America, on Sirius satellite radio, as well as around the world on EWTN Global Catholic Radio (shortwave) and on the Internet.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2011/04/the-trouble-with-calvinism-catholic-answers-live-interview-with-david-anders/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>8</slash:comments>
<enclosure url="http://www.catholic.com/audio/2010/mp3/ca110401a.mp3" length="16518344" type="audio/mpeg" />
<enclosure url="http://www.catholic.com/audio/2011/mp3/ca110401a.mp3" length="16518344" type="audio/mpeg" />
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Signs of Predestination &#8211; A Catholic Discusses Election</title>
		<link>http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2010/12/signs-of-predestination-a-catholic-discusses-election/</link>
		<comments>http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2010/12/signs-of-predestination-a-catholic-discusses-election/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 00:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Taylor Marshall</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Blog Posts]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Calvinism]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Predestination]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.calledtocommunion.com/?p=6880</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[All the members of Called to Communion once earnestly believed the tenets of Calvinism before abjuring the errors of that system in exchange for the true Catholic Faith. However, it would be wrong to suppose that Catholic deny predestination per se. Rather, the doctrine of predestination is upheld, albeit with a important qualifications. Dominican Father [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">All the members of Called to Communion once earnestly believed the tenets of Calvinism before abjuring the errors of that system in exchange for the true Catholic Faith.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">However, it would be wrong to suppose that Catholic deny predestination <em>per se</em>. Rather, the doctrine of predestination is upheld, albeit with a important qualifications.<span id="more-6880"></span></p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/6a00d834515d1e69e200e54ff75ffd8834-800wi.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-6881 aligncenter" title="Garrigou Lagrange" src="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/6a00d834515d1e69e200e54ff75ffd8834-800wi.jpg" alt="" width="273" height="399" /></a><br />
Dominican Father Reginald Marie Garrigou-Lagrange</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">As a Catholic, what is now more important to me is the &#8220;signs of predestination.&#8221; In other words &#8220;faith alone&#8221; is by no means a sign that one is among the elect of God. Rather, the Dominican Father Réginald Marie Garrigou-Lagrange (d. 1964) observed this in his work <em>Life Everlasting:</em></p>
<blockquote>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The Council of Trent has declared that we cannot have on earth certitude of our predestination without a special revelation. Aside from this special revelation no man can know if he will persevere in good works to the end. Nevertheless there are signs of predestination which give a kind of moral certitude that one will persevere. The Fathers, especially St. Chrysostom, St. Gregory the Great, St. Bernard, St. Anselm, have enumerated certain of these signs, following the directions of Scripture.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Theologians enumerate eight signs of predestination.</p>
<ol style="text-align: justify;">
<li>First, a good life;</li>
<li>secondly, the testimony of a good conscience;</li>
<li>thirdly, patience in adversities for love of God;</li>
<li>fourthly, relish for the light and the Word of God;</li>
<li>fifthly, mercy toward those who suffer;</li>
<li>sixthly, love of enemies;</li>
<li>seventhly, humility;</li>
<li>eighthly, special devotion to the Blessed Virgin</li>
</ol>
<p style="text-align: justify;">(from R.M. Garrigou-Lagrange, in <em>Life Everlasting</em>, &#8220;The Number of the Elect&#8221;).</p>
</blockquote>
<p>As a Catholic, then, belief in predestination is less of an academic exercise and more of an aid to the examination of my conscience. Do I patiently bear through difficulties? Do I maintain a love for the Word of God? Do I study it daily? Do I order my life to it? Do I love the poor and try to assist them? Am I praying and blessing for those who hate me?</p>
<p>The question is not, &#8220;Am I predestined?&#8221; because nobody can know this without a special revelation. Rather, the question is, &#8220;Do I resemble the character of the predestined? Am I a man of the beatitudes?&#8221;</p>
<p>As I discussed in the book <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/0578050161?tag=canttalebytay-20&amp;camp=0&amp;creative=0&amp;linkCode=as1&amp;creativeASIN=0578050161&amp;adid=0NKA15R1FNX9AEZP4WDB">The Catholic Perspective on Paul</a></em>, Paul&#8217;s doctrine of predestination is this: &#8220;He also predestinated<em> to be made conformable to the image of his Son</em>: that he might be the Firstborn amongst many brethren&#8221; (<a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rom+8%3A29">&#82;&#111;&#109;&#32;&#56;&#58;&#50;&#57;</a>).</p>
<p>We are predestined to not merely be in Heaven, but to be conformed to the image of Christ. If we do not resemble the Eight Beatitudes of Christ from the Sermon on the Mount, we&#8217;re not being conformed to Christ. We&#8217;re not likely predestined.</p>
<p>In light of all this, the words of Saint Peter, that holy pontiff, make more sense:</p>
<blockquote><p>Wherefore, brethren, labour the more, that by good works you may make sure your calling and election. For doing these things, you shall not sin at any time (<a class="biblegateway_link" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Peter+1%3A10">&#50;&#32;&#80;&#101;&#116;&#101;&#114;&#32;&#49;&#58;&#49;&#48;</a>).</p></blockquote>
<p>So follow the eight signs of predestination, but especially foster a deep filial love for the Blessed Virgin Mary. She is <em>the</em> predestined one, the most perfectly saved person of human history and the most perfect created person of all creation &#8211; even greater than the angels. She is the Mother of Fair Love and she will guide you to the tender mercy of her Divine Son Jesus Christ &#8211; the mediator between God and men.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">All the saints agree: A man cannot be saved without love and devotion for the Blessed Mother of Christ the King. To be &#8220;in Christ&#8221; is to be a child of God the Father and a child of Mary. Honor thy Father <em>and thy Mother.</em></p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2010/12/signs-of-predestination-a-catholic-discusses-election/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>145</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Episode 15 &#8211; The Conversion of Annie Witz (OPC)</title>
		<link>http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2010/11/episode-15-the-conversion-of-annie-witz-opc/</link>
		<comments>http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2010/11/episode-15-the-conversion-of-annie-witz-opc/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Nov 2010 12:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tom Riello</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Podcast]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Calvinism]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Conversion]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Conversion Stories]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mary]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Real Presence]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Reformed Theology]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Saints]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Sola Scriptura]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.calledtocommunion.com/?p=6489</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[In this episode, Tom Riello, former PCA minister, interviews Annie Witz, a convert from the OPC (Orthodox Presbyterian Church).  Annie&#8217;s father is an elder in the OPC church and serves on the board of Westminster Seminary California.   Annie shares her personal conversion story from being a devout OPC member to a Catholic in the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Tom Riello, former PCA minister, interviews Annie Witz, a convert from the OPC (Orthodox Presbyterian Church).  Annie&#8217;s father is an elder in the OPC church and serves on the board of <a href="http://www.wscal.edu/">Westminster Seminary California</a>.   Annie shares her personal conversion story from being a devout OPC member to a Catholic in the Melkite Greek Catholic Church (an Eastern Catholic Church).  Of particular interest is the role that the women saints, especially the Blessed Virgin Mary, played in her conversion.  We are thrilled to have our first female guest on the show!</p>

<p>To download the mp3, <a href="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/media/Called%20to%20Communion%20-%20Episode%2015%20-%20Annie%20Witz%20Conversion%20Story.mp3">click here</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2010/11/episode-15-the-conversion-of-annie-witz-opc/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>39</slash:comments>
<enclosure url="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/media/Called%20to%20Communion%20-%20Episode%2015%20-%20Annie%20Witz%20Conversion%20Story.mp3" length="49312212" type="audio/mpeg" />
<enclosure url="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/" length="0" type="Array" />
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>Episode 14 &#8211; A Presuppositional Apologist Becomes Catholic</title>
		<link>http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2010/08/episode-14-from-presuppositional-pca-to-rome/</link>
		<comments>http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2010/08/episode-14-from-presuppositional-pca-to-rome/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Marc Ayers</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Podcast]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Authority]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Calvinism]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Conversion]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Faith and Reason]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Greg Bahnsen]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[John Calvin]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Mary]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Philosophy]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Presuppositionalism]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Scripture]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Sola Scriptura]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[The Canon]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Van Til]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.calledtocommunion.com/?p=5790</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Tom Riello interviews Marc Ayers on the topic of his conversion to the Catholic Church. Marc was a &#8216;disciple&#8217; of Dr. Greg Bahnsen. Hear him tell how his presuppositional apologetic method helped him see the need for a divinely instituted authority, namely the Catholic Church. To download the mp3, click here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Riello interviews Marc Ayers on the topic of his conversion to the Catholic Church.  Marc was a &#8216;disciple&#8217; of Dr. Greg Bahnsen.  Hear him tell how his presuppositional apologetic method helped him see the need for a divinely instituted authority, namely the Catholic Church.</p>

<p>To download the mp3, <a href="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/media/Called%20to%20Communion%20-%20Episode%2014%20-%20Marc%20Ayers%20Interview.mp3">click here</a>. </p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2010/08/episode-14-from-presuppositional-pca-to-rome/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>58</slash:comments>
<enclosure url="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/media/Called%20to%20Communion%20-%20Episode%2014%20-%20Marc%20Ayers%20Interview.mp3" length="a:5:{s:6:"format";s:14:"default-format";s:8:"keywords";s:116:"http://www.calledtocommunion.com/media/Called%20to%20Communion%20-%20Episode%2014%20-%20Marc%20Ayers%20Interview.mp3";s:6:"author";s:0:"";s:6:"length";s:0:"";s:8:"explicit";s:0:"";}" type="a:5:{s:6:"format";s:14:"default-format";s:8:"keywords";s:0:"";s:6:"author";s:0:"";s:6:"length";s:0:"";s:8:"explicit";s:0:"";}" />
<enclosure url="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/media/Called%20to%20Communion%20-%20Episode%2014%20-%20Marc%20Ayers%20Interview.mp3" length="44645472" type="audio/mpeg" />
<enclosure url="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/media/Called%20to%20Communion%20-%20Episode%2014%20-%20Marc%20Ayers%20Interview.mp3" length="44645472" type="audio/mpeg" />
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>St. Francis De Sales, Apostle to the Calvinists</title>
		<link>http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2010/01/desales/</link>
		<comments>http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2010/01/desales/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Matt Yonke</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Blog Posts]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Authority]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Calvinism]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Ecumenicism]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.calledtocommunion.com/?p=3796</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Few figures loom as large in the history of Calvinism, and yet are at the same time so unknown by Calvinists, as St. Francis De Sales. St. Francis, born in 1567 to a wealthy family, led an interesting life, the details of which are too great to expound here, but I recommend the Catholic Encyclopedia [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Few figures loom as large in the history of Calvinism, and yet are at the same time so unknown by Calvinists, as St. Francis De Sales.</p>
<p>St. Francis, born in 1567 to a wealthy family, led an interesting life, the details of which are too great to expound here, but I recommend the <a href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06220a.htm">Catholic Encyclopedia article</a> on his life for a good recounting of the details.<span id="more-3796"></span></p>
<div id="attachment_3797" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 600px"><a href="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/desales.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-3797" title="desales" src="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/desales.jpg" alt="" width="590" height="301" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Statue of St. Francis De Sales at St. Peter&#39;s Basilica</p></div>
<p>For our purposes, the most important aspect of Francis&#8217; life and ministry was his mission to convert the Calvinists of Geneva. In 1594, a young priest at the age of 27, he volunteered to evangelize the Calvinists there.</p>
<p>Francis&#8217; ministry was not well received by the Calvinists at first. In fact, most of them wouldn&#8217;t even talk to him. As such, Francis turned to the tactic of writing pamphlets that he would slip under the door of the people of the town. These tracts were later collected into a book called <a href="http://www.catholictradition.org/Classics/catholic-controversy.htm">The Catholic Controversy</a> that can be read in its entirety at the preceding link. Of course, what passed for a tract in those days is much more like what we would call a scholarly essay, so the book is a very meaty examination of the problems that separate Calvinists and Catholics.</p>
<p>Little by little, Francis gained himself a hearing among the Calvinists and eventually converted them by the thousands. His success was so great that he was later elevated to the post of Bishop of Geneva.</p>
<p>I have found it interesting how many converts to Catholicism from the Reformed faith have found De Sales work so compelling, even to this day. Speaking for myself, his chapter on the concept of <a href="http://www.catholictradition.org/Classics/controversy1-1.htm">the mission of ministers of God</a> was one of the turning points in my own conversion.</p>
<p>I hope our Reformed brothers will give a hearing to this very holy man of God whose work resonates down through the centuries.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2010/01/desales/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>40</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>&#8220;Calvinism&#8221; Sans Double Election</title>
		<link>http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/08/calvinism-sans-double-election/</link>
		<comments>http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/08/calvinism-sans-double-election/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 02:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tom Brown</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Blog Posts]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Calvinism]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Predestination]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Reformed Theology]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.calledtocommunion.com/?p=2281</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Would Calvinism be improved if it dropped all this talk of &#8216;double election,&#8217; the doctrine that God chose some from before all time for salvation and the rest for damnation? Rev. Alvin Hoksbergen, a retired minister in the Christian Reformed Church, proposes in The Banner that a major retooling of election-speak from Reformed pulpits is [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;">Would Calvinism be improved if it dropped all this talk of &#8216;double election,&#8217; the doctrine that God chose some from before all time for salvation and the rest for damnation?</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Rev. Alvin Hoksbergen, a retired minister in the Christian Reformed Church, proposes in <em><a href="http://www.thebanner.org/magazine/article.cfm?article_id=2205">The Banner</a></em> that a major retooling of election-speak from Reformed pulpits is needed.  While making the claim that &#8220;most [Reformed] seem to have moved away from the concept of double predestination,&#8221; <span id="more-2281"></span>Rev. Hoksbergen believes that &#8220;the biblically based concept of election remains a major factor in [the Reformed] theological structure.&#8221;  Reluctance to preach on election to heaven after death may follow from it being &#8220;an arrogant position that may consign good acquaintances to hell while granting heaven to only a select few.&#8221;  To solve this teaching silence, Rev. Hoksbergen proposes that Reformed pastors &#8220;shift the focus of election away from eternal bliss to the biblical concept of God calling the elect to be a blessing in the world.&#8221;  The pastor&#8217;s primary emphasis should be &#8220;on how believers are to conduct their lives,&#8221; rather than on the eternal end of the decree of election. This would allow the world to see the positive impact made on it by Calvinists.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Such a change of preaching, he believes, would bring his particular denomination (and its sister denomination, the Reformed Church in America) into partnership with the &#8220;new Calvinism&#8221; that was recently highlighted with admiration in <a href="http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1884779_1884782_1884760,00.html">Time</a> magazine. But is this focus on how believers conduct their lives, over a focus on the mystery of God&#8217;s sovereign grace, Calvinism at all?  Or is it rather a turning back to pre-16th century catholic thought on the meaning of election and predestination?</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">In a way, Rev. Hoksbergen&#8217;s call to preachers to stress the Christian&#8217;s duties in this world is a predictable turn of events.  Double election, being based on the fixedness of God&#8217;s eternal determinations, leaves the soteriologically focused Reformed preacher only to marvel at the mystery of God&#8217;s will.  He can&#8217;t very well dwell on that topic week in and week out, year in and year out, so naturally he will turn to the likes of &#8220;how believers are to conduct their lives.&#8221; But in another way, this is an unusual turn of events, since Calvin denied the necessity of man&#8217;s cooperation in (along with any other condition on) his election to salvation.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Calvin and the confessional Reformed denominations centrally teach that God, by his sovereign grace, unconditionally chose some, and not others, from before all time to salvation.  A &#8220;new Calvinism&#8221; that leaves this position behind in favor of emphasizing the Christian&#8217;s call to bless the world is something other than Calvinism.  If it is something that wants to marvel at God&#8217;s sovereignty and grace, while calling us to holiness and leaving room for debate on the conditions or rigidity of election, then it is far closer to the <em>catholic </em>position on election and predestination that existed before Calvin taught.  In that sense, Rev. Hoksbergen is actually calling Reformed pastors to preach in the way of Roman priests prior to the Reformation.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/08/calvinism-sans-double-election/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>45</slash:comments>
		</item>
		<item>
		<title>If Magisterial Confessions are Fallible&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/06/if-magisterial-confessions-are-fallible/</link>
		<comments>http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/06/if-magisterial-confessions-are-fallible/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Taylor Marshall</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Blog Posts]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Calvinism]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Ecclesiology]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Magisterium]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Reformed Theology]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Sola Scriptura]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.calledtocommunion.com/?p=1698</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Jason Stellman, at his provocative blog De Regnis Duobus (Concerning the Two Kingdoms) recently composed a fascinating reflection on Protestant confessionalism entitled &#8220;The Complexiities of Confessionalism&#8221;. Stellman writes: The options, as I see them, are as follows: confessional denominations like the PCA [Presbyterian Church in America] ]can either (1) broaden our theological parameters to make [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason Stellman, at his provocative blog <a href="http://deregnisduobus.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">De Regnis Duobus</a> (Concerning the Two Kingdoms) recently composed a fascinating reflection on Protestant confessionalism entitled <a href="http://deregnisduobus.blogspot.com/2009/06/complexities-of-confessionalism.html" target="_blank">&#8220;The Complexiities of Confessionalism&#8221;</a>.</p>
<p>Stellman writes:</p>
<blockquote><p>The options, as I see them, are as follows: confessional denominations like the PCA [Presbyterian Church in America] ]can either (1) broaden our theological parameters to make room for someone who can make a case that his theology is biblically plausible, or (2) we can insist that our ministers at times must avoid speaking the Bible&#8217;s language for fear of muddying the systematic waters.<span id="more-1698"></span></p>
<p>And I must say, I&#8217;m not completely thrilled about either of those choices (but then, who ever said being confessional would be easy?).</p></blockquote>
<p>I find this fascinating. Would it be accurate say that there is a built-in tension in magisterial Protestant traditions since the magisterial documents (WCF, Belgic Conf, 39 Articles, etc.) are considered fallible interpretations of the infallible Scriptures?</p>
<p><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-1700" title="wcftaylormarshall" src="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/wcftaylormarshall.png" alt="wcftaylormarshall" width="500" height="281" /></p>
<p>It&#8217;s almost like multiplying a positive number times a negative number &#8211; you always get a negative product. No matter how big your positive number, the negative number always yields a negative product. If you have a fallible document interpreting an infallible document, the produce will always be fallible. Hence, the built-in tension of magisterial Protestantism.</p>
<p>With Catholicism you get an infallible interpretation of an infallible document. It&#8217;s like multiplying a positive number by positive number. The answer is always positive. As Hannibal from the A-Team says: &#8220;<em>I love it when a plan comes together</em>!<strong>&#8220;</strong></p>
<p>Flannery O&#8217;Conner once remarked at a dinner party concerning the Holy Eucharist:</p>
<p>&#8220;Well, if it&#8217;s a symbol, to hell with it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps we might say the same about any magisterial tradition without the claim of infallibility:</p>
<p>&#8220;Well, if confessionalism relies on a fallible magisterium, to hell with it.&#8221;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
			<wfw:commentRss>http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/06/if-magisterial-confessions-are-fallible/feed/</wfw:commentRss>
		<slash:comments>11</slash:comments>
		</item>
	</channel>
</rss>

