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	<title>Comments on: Solo Scriptura, Sola Scriptura, and the Question of Interpretive Authority</title>
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		<title>By: Mark Driscoll and Submission Holds &#124; St. Joseph&#039;s Vanguard</title>
		<link>http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/11/solo-scriptura-sola-scriptura-and-the-question-of-interpretive-authority/comment-page-25/#comment-20022</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Driscoll and Submission Holds &#124; St. Joseph&#039;s Vanguard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 13:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] as I point out in my book, and as the Called to Communion guys syllogistically demonstrated: it&#8217;s not really submission when I only submit to someone so long as I agree with [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] as I point out in my book, and as the Called to Communion guys syllogistically demonstrated: it&#8217;s not really submission when I only submit to someone so long as I agree with [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sola Scriptura: Death by a Thousand (or Ten) Qualifications? &#171; Doug Beaumont.Org</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sola Scriptura: Death by a Thousand (or Ten) Qualifications? &#171; Doug Beaumont.Org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2011 00:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] see Keith Mathison’s The Shape of Sola Scriptura – and for critical responses to this view see CTC or NLG). The first page of a Google search brought up two representative statements of this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] see Keith Mathison’s The Shape of Sola Scriptura – and for critical responses to this view see CTC or NLG). The first page of a Google search brought up two representative statements of this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Cross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan Cross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Friends, because of the number of comments here (which is getting unwieldy), I&#039;m going to close down this combox and direct all further discussion of this article and of Keith&#039;s reply, to &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2011/02/keith-mathisons-reply/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Keith Mathison&#039;s Reply&lt;/a&gt;.&quot; Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friends, because of the number of comments here (which is getting unwieldy), I&#8217;m going to close down this combox and direct all further discussion of this article and of Keith&#8217;s reply, to &#8220;<a href="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2011/02/keith-mathisons-reply/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Keith Mathison&#8217;s Reply</a>.&#8221; Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: TurretinFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>TurretinFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred:

Please note that Dr. Mathison&#039;s distinction was between accepting Rome&#039;s claims for herself (in which case there is no apparent difference between the sola/solo positions) and not accepting Rome&#039;s claims for herself (in which case it is &lt;i&gt;possible&lt;/i&gt; to discern the differences).

His precise words, you will recall are: &lt;blockquote&gt;If one assumes the correctness of the Roman Catholic doctrine of the church, then the differences I allege between sola scriptura and solo scriptura become invisible, but if one does not assume the correctness of the Roman Catholic doctrine of the church, the differences &lt;b&gt;can&lt;/b&gt; be discerned.&lt;/blockquote&gt;(emphasis mine)
-TurretinFan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred:</p>
<p>Please note that Dr. Mathison&#8217;s distinction was between accepting Rome&#8217;s claims for herself (in which case there is no apparent difference between the sola/solo positions) and not accepting Rome&#8217;s claims for herself (in which case it is <i>possible</i> to discern the differences).</p>
<p>His precise words, you will recall are:<br />
<blockquote>If one assumes the correctness of the Roman Catholic doctrine of the church, then the differences I allege between sola scriptura and solo scriptura become invisible, but if one does not assume the correctness of the Roman Catholic doctrine of the church, the differences <b>can</b> be discerned.</p></blockquote>
<p>(emphasis mine)<br />
-TurretinFan</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Liccione</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Liccione</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Wilkins:

Thanks for pointing that out. I missed that little &#039;only&#039;. I should now say that, if he had left it out, he would have been right.


Best,
Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Wilkins:</p>
<p>Thanks for pointing that out. I missed that little &#8216;only&#8217;. I should now say that, if he had left it out, he would have been right.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Mike</p>
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		<title>By: wilkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>wilkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mike, 

Is it fair to say that Mathison&#039;s &lt;i&gt;&quot;only when one begins by assuming...&quot;&lt;/i&gt; amounts to saying, in so many words, &lt;i&gt;&quot;only when one begins by rejecting Catholic teaching does the distinction emerge&quot;&lt;/i&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mike, </p>
<p>Is it fair to say that Mathison&#8217;s <i>&#8220;only when one begins by assuming&#8230;&#8221;</i> amounts to saying, in so many words, <i>&#8220;only when one begins by rejecting Catholic teaching does the distinction emerge&#8221;</i>?</p>
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		<title>By: wilkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>wilkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Fred, #1211

Same here. Long before I knew anything at all about the Catholic Church, I had seen that sola scriptura necessarily reduces to solo scriptura. All by itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Fred, #1211</p>
<p>Same here. Long before I knew anything at all about the Catholic Church, I had seen that sola scriptura necessarily reduces to solo scriptura. All by itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Liccione</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Liccione</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred:

Both you and Mathison are right. He&#039;s right to say that, if you assume the truth of Catholic ecclesiology, the &lt;i&gt;sola-solo&lt;/i&gt; distinction disappears. You&#039;re right to say that one doesn&#039;t &lt;i&gt;need&lt;/i&gt; to make that assumption to see why the distinction disappears. The trick is to get Protestants to see that your being right doesn&#039;t depend on his being right.


Best,
Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred:</p>
<p>Both you and Mathison are right. He&#8217;s right to say that, if you assume the truth of Catholic ecclesiology, the <i>sola-solo</i> distinction disappears. You&#8217;re right to say that one doesn&#8217;t <i>need</i> to make that assumption to see why the distinction disappears. The trick is to get Protestants to see that your being right doesn&#8217;t depend on his being right.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2011 07:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm…I meant to say seven years ago, not five. :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm…I meant to say seven years ago, not five. :-(</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2011 07:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This claim in Mathison’s response is incorrect:

&lt;blockquote&gt;If one assumes the correctness of the Roman Catholic doctrine of the church, then the differences I allege between sola scriptura and solo scriptura become invisible, but if one does not assume the correctness of the Roman Catholic doctrine of the church, the differences can be discerned. (p. 4)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It is incorrect to say that one must assume anything about the Catholic doctrine of the Church in order to see that there are no differences between solo and sola scriptura. I say with complete confidence that it is incorrect, because five years ago &lt;em&gt;as a Protestant&lt;/em&gt; I came to conclusions about sola scriptura which are functionally indistinguishable from those in Bryan’s article, and I knew practically nothing about the Catholic doctrine of the Church (or any other Catholic doctrine, for that matter) at the time. Though I did not know it at the time, and I absolutely did not intend it, it was reaching those conclusions that eventually got me started on my way to swimming the Tiber.

I strongly suspect that my experience is not unique. :-)

Fred</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This claim in Mathison’s response is incorrect:</p>
<blockquote><p>If one assumes the correctness of the Roman Catholic doctrine of the church, then the differences I allege between sola scriptura and solo scriptura become invisible, but if one does not assume the correctness of the Roman Catholic doctrine of the church, the differences can be discerned. (p. 4)</p></blockquote>
<p>It is incorrect to say that one must assume anything about the Catholic doctrine of the Church in order to see that there are no differences between solo and sola scriptura. I say with complete confidence that it is incorrect, because five years ago <em>as a Protestant</em> I came to conclusions about sola scriptura which are functionally indistinguishable from those in Bryan’s article, and I knew practically nothing about the Catholic doctrine of the Church (or any other Catholic doctrine, for that matter) at the time. Though I did not know it at the time, and I absolutely did not intend it, it was reaching those conclusions that eventually got me started on my way to swimming the Tiber.</p>
<p>I strongly suspect that my experience is not unique. :-)</p>
<p>Fred</p>
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