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	<title>Comments on: Stanley Hauerwas on Reformation Sunday</title>
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	<description>Reformation meets Rome</description>
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		<title>By: Roamin' Catholic</title>
		<link>http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/10/stanley-hauerwas-on-reformation-sunday/comment-page-1/#comment-4243</link>
		<dc:creator>Roamin' Catholic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 04:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an Anglican your tradition would have alot to contribute, especially liturgically. I&#039;m sure there would be Catholics who coveted the contributions of authentic Anglican worship. Welcome home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an Anglican your tradition would have alot to contribute, especially liturgically. I&#8217;m sure there would be Catholics who coveted the contributions of authentic Anglican worship. Welcome home.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for a great post.  I must say that as an Anglican, the unity the Roman Church has is very attractive.  I do get so tired of seeing our communion splintered.

Pax.

Bryan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for a great post.  I must say that as an Anglican, the unity the Roman Church has is very attractive.  I do get so tired of seeing our communion splintered.</p>
<p>Pax.</p>
<p>Bryan</p>
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		<title>By: The Calendar&#8217;s Sense of Humour at Zoomtard</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Calendar&#8217;s Sense of Humour at Zoomtard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Stanley Hauerwas is right, Reformation day &#8220;names failure&#8221; for the church. It is right that we should remember it. But it should not be with songs of thanksgiving and praise but that much under-used (never-used) component of Christian worship: lament. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Stanley Hauerwas is right, Reformation day &#8220;names failure&#8221; for the church. It is right that we should remember it. But it should not be with songs of thanksgiving and praise but that much under-used (never-used) component of Christian worship: lament. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good article.  As a Catholic I believe in being a reformer.  There are many hearts that need conversion (mine included).  I choose to be a reformer within the Church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good article.  As a Catholic I believe in being a reformer.  There are many hearts that need conversion (mine included).  I choose to be a reformer within the Church.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim A. Troutman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim A. Troutman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen John. Well said.</description>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an Eastern Orthodox Christian, I can only “read it and weep”.  Not because there is no mention of Holy Orthodoxy or Eastern Christianity in all this discussion of unity – clearly the good pastor’s focus is on the Western Church, which has engendered the vast majority of the 30,000+ differing Christian churches and doctrinal systems. And few seem to know – or care - much about Eastern Christianity’s very different spirituality and practice, in which I can - and do - feel totally at home and comfortable worshiping with Arabic speakers in Jerusalem or Nazareth, or in Russia or the Republic of Georgia, or with Orthodox Christians in Corinth or Thessaloniki, Tanzania, France or Chicago.  Rather, I weep for all the centuries of bickering and warfare, all the hideously disfiguring divisions in the Body of Christ, divisions which continue to multiply and metastasize as I write these words.  

The Reformation happened only yesterday – a local feud between Christian brothers which has spread scandal and controversy throughout the entire world.  We in the Eastern Church still grieve over doctrinal disagreements with the Non-Chalcedonians in 451 AD, which separate me today – if only slightly - from my Coptic and Ethiopian Orthodox brothers and sisters.  And then came the horrific disaster of the Great Schism with the Roman Church in 1054, since which time we continue to grow farther apart, to our immense pain and distress.  I appreciate Dr. Hauerwas’ candor and obvious good intentions.  May God bless him as he works to bring unity, and clarity of thought in considering what is indeed a great disaster.

St. Paul tells us in 1st Corinthians 25 and 26:  &quot;...that there should be no schism in the body, but that the members should have the same care for one another. And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; or if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it.&quot;

Forgive me, brothers and sisters, as I am a great sinner and do not presume to teach. But it seems to me that until all Christians rejoice for each other, grieve for each other, sincerely try to understand and respect each other - in short, until we truly, intentionally love and seek to serve each other, as precious living images of our Lord and Savior, and as beloved common children of God – until we achieve this, we are poor Christians indeed, and false witnesses of our Lord to the world that knows Him not.

Please pray for us all that we may be granted the strength for repentance, fasting, unceasing prayer and sincere humility of spirit.  Perhaps we could all use less reading and arguing ABOUT Christianity and doctrinal differences, and more frequent prayer?  And most of all, let us pray that we all may be granted the grace of a genuine, deep personal relationship with our heavenly Father the Creator of the universe.  When we are truly in Christ, we can not help but be One Body, as we are called to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an Eastern Orthodox Christian, I can only “read it and weep”.  Not because there is no mention of Holy Orthodoxy or Eastern Christianity in all this discussion of unity – clearly the good pastor’s focus is on the Western Church, which has engendered the vast majority of the 30,000+ differing Christian churches and doctrinal systems. And few seem to know – or care &#8211; much about Eastern Christianity’s very different spirituality and practice, in which I can &#8211; and do &#8211; feel totally at home and comfortable worshiping with Arabic speakers in Jerusalem or Nazareth, or in Russia or the Republic of Georgia, or with Orthodox Christians in Corinth or Thessaloniki, Tanzania, France or Chicago.  Rather, I weep for all the centuries of bickering and warfare, all the hideously disfiguring divisions in the Body of Christ, divisions which continue to multiply and metastasize as I write these words.  </p>
<p>The Reformation happened only yesterday – a local feud between Christian brothers which has spread scandal and controversy throughout the entire world.  We in the Eastern Church still grieve over doctrinal disagreements with the Non-Chalcedonians in 451 AD, which separate me today – if only slightly &#8211; from my Coptic and Ethiopian Orthodox brothers and sisters.  And then came the horrific disaster of the Great Schism with the Roman Church in 1054, since which time we continue to grow farther apart, to our immense pain and distress.  I appreciate Dr. Hauerwas’ candor and obvious good intentions.  May God bless him as he works to bring unity, and clarity of thought in considering what is indeed a great disaster.</p>
<p>St. Paul tells us in 1st Corinthians 25 and 26:  &#8220;&#8230;that there should be no schism in the body, but that the members should have the same care for one another. And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; or if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Forgive me, brothers and sisters, as I am a great sinner and do not presume to teach. But it seems to me that until all Christians rejoice for each other, grieve for each other, sincerely try to understand and respect each other &#8211; in short, until we truly, intentionally love and seek to serve each other, as precious living images of our Lord and Savior, and as beloved common children of God – until we achieve this, we are poor Christians indeed, and false witnesses of our Lord to the world that knows Him not.</p>
<p>Please pray for us all that we may be granted the strength for repentance, fasting, unceasing prayer and sincere humility of spirit.  Perhaps we could all use less reading and arguing ABOUT Christianity and doctrinal differences, and more frequent prayer?  And most of all, let us pray that we all may be granted the grace of a genuine, deep personal relationship with our heavenly Father the Creator of the universe.  When we are truly in Christ, we can not help but be One Body, as we are called to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 02:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a Catholic convert of 2+ years now after spending 20+ years in various forms of Evangelical Fundamentalism  tracing mostly to Darby and the early 19th century.   My final two years as a non-Catholic were spent in a wonderful PCA Presbyterian Church and in my own study of Calvinism.  That deeper &quot;connection&quot; (much earlier than revivalism /dispensationalism) to the so called Reformation-era in church history is actually what helped me become Catholic.

I applaud Dr. Hauerwas for this work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a Catholic convert of 2+ years now after spending 20+ years in various forms of Evangelical Fundamentalism  tracing mostly to Darby and the early 19th century.   My final two years as a non-Catholic were spent in a wonderful PCA Presbyterian Church and in my own study of Calvinism.  That deeper &#8220;connection&#8221; (much earlier than revivalism /dispensationalism) to the so called Reformation-era in church history is actually what helped me become Catholic.</p>
<p>I applaud Dr. Hauerwas for this work.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Darnowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Darnowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for a lovely piece--saw it on Patrick Madrid. Have you ever read Soloviev (there are various other spellings) on the AntiChrist and Christian reunification? There is a scene in there that in some ways reminds me of your essay. God bless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for a lovely piece&#8211;saw it on Patrick Madrid. Have you ever read Soloviev (there are various other spellings) on the AntiChrist and Christian reunification? There is a scene in there that in some ways reminds me of your essay. God bless.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristen W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

While Hauerwas does generalize several points, your main criticism misses the point. It&#039;s not the fact of diverse beliefs (big or small) that distinguishes between a unified Church and fragmented gatherings of professed Christians. It&#039;s the principle of unity which consists of (as Hauerwas points out) &quot;the unity of the Spirit occasioned through sacrament.&quot; Now, it happens that in order to partake of the sacraments of the Church, the life of the Church, obedience and receptivity to apostolic teaching is required, and that apostolic teaching is authoritatively seated in the Church - in the Pope and the bishops through apostolic succession, and in the faithful through the light of the Spirit. But the principle of Reformation, or at least the principle of fragmentation, that Hauerwas denounces here is the understanding of Christian unity which says that intellectual assent to certain formulas (which none of the fragmented Christians can agree on, anyway) is the life of the Church. Instead, though a Reformed Christian, Hauerwas can see that the life of the Church is in fact the life, death, and resurrection of Christ, which is imparted to his Church through his own Body, his own words, his own sacraments. And he recognizes that the Catholic Church as retained a *principle of unity* without which there *can* be no true diversity, only fragmentation and isolation. Catholics listen to the words of the Pope and the Tradition, and gather at the one table, and that is why there can be real diversity within the one Church. It&#039;s not as if it&#039;s impossible for a Catholic to break away from this unity, and so you rightly point out that the Church censures those they understand to have actually thrown off the unifying principle of faith and obedience. But his point is that Protestantism actually collapses this distinction, so that there is *no discernible difference* between a faithful or a faithless member of the Body. In fact - there is no discernible Body.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>While Hauerwas does generalize several points, your main criticism misses the point. It&#8217;s not the fact of diverse beliefs (big or small) that distinguishes between a unified Church and fragmented gatherings of professed Christians. It&#8217;s the principle of unity which consists of (as Hauerwas points out) &#8220;the unity of the Spirit occasioned through sacrament.&#8221; Now, it happens that in order to partake of the sacraments of the Church, the life of the Church, obedience and receptivity to apostolic teaching is required, and that apostolic teaching is authoritatively seated in the Church &#8211; in the Pope and the bishops through apostolic succession, and in the faithful through the light of the Spirit. But the principle of Reformation, or at least the principle of fragmentation, that Hauerwas denounces here is the understanding of Christian unity which says that intellectual assent to certain formulas (which none of the fragmented Christians can agree on, anyway) is the life of the Church. Instead, though a Reformed Christian, Hauerwas can see that the life of the Church is in fact the life, death, and resurrection of Christ, which is imparted to his Church through his own Body, his own words, his own sacraments. And he recognizes that the Catholic Church as retained a *principle of unity* without which there *can* be no true diversity, only fragmentation and isolation. Catholics listen to the words of the Pope and the Tradition, and gather at the one table, and that is why there can be real diversity within the one Church. It&#8217;s not as if it&#8217;s impossible for a Catholic to break away from this unity, and so you rightly point out that the Church censures those they understand to have actually thrown off the unifying principle of faith and obedience. But his point is that Protestantism actually collapses this distinction, so that there is *no discernible difference* between a faithful or a faithless member of the Body. In fact &#8211; there is no discernible Body.</p>
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		<title>By: Why a Protestant does not like Reformation Sunday &#171; Divine Life &#8211; A Blog by Eric Sammons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why a Protestant does not like Reformation Sunday &#171; Divine Life &#8211; A Blog by Eric Sammons</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] favorite Protestant theologians is Stanley Hauerwas (whom I was only recently introduced to). Read this sermon for an example [...]</description>
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