Comments on: Christ Founded a Visible Church http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/06/christ-founded-a-visible-church/ Reformation meets Rome Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:00:30 +0000 hourly 1 By: Brian O. http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/06/christ-founded-a-visible-church/comment-page-4/#comment-24648 Brian O. Fri, 23 Dec 2011 16:24:17 +0000 http://www.calledtocommunion.com/?p=1251#comment-24648 Jonathan, Thank you for sharing the great news. Welcome home! Brian Jonathan,

Thank you for sharing the great news. Welcome home!

Brian

]]> By: Andrew Preslar http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/06/christ-founded-a-visible-church/comment-page-4/#comment-24645 Andrew Preslar Fri, 23 Dec 2011 15:19:19 +0000 http://www.calledtocommunion.com/?p=1251#comment-24645 Jonathan, Welcome home and amen. I rejoice with you and your wife. Also, cool to hear that you had a great sponsor! Andrew Jonathan,

Welcome home and amen. I rejoice with you and your wife. Also, cool to hear that you had a great sponsor!

Andrew

]]> By: Aaron Goodrich http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/06/christ-founded-a-visible-church/comment-page-4/#comment-24642 Aaron Goodrich Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:31:01 +0000 http://www.calledtocommunion.com/?p=1251#comment-24642 Jonathan, Congratulations! You and your wife's story is similar to my wife and I's. We are aiming to be received at Easter! Shalom, Aaron Goodrich Jonathan,

Congratulations! You and your wife’s story is similar to my wife and I’s. We are aiming to be received at Easter!

Shalom,

Aaron Goodrich

]]> By: GNW_Paul http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/06/christ-founded-a-visible-church/comment-page-4/#comment-24629 GNW_Paul Fri, 23 Dec 2011 06:51:39 +0000 http://www.calledtocommunion.com/?p=1251#comment-24629 Awesome News Jonathan - God Bless you and your family and I'm glad you've come aboard the Barque of Peter Awesome News Jonathan – God Bless you and your family and I’m glad you’ve come aboard the Barque of Peter

]]> By: Brian2 http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/06/christ-founded-a-visible-church/comment-page-4/#comment-24627 Brian2 Fri, 23 Dec 2011 05:13:36 +0000 http://www.calledtocommunion.com/?p=1251#comment-24627 Woo-hoo, Jonathan! Woo-hoo, Jonathan!

]]> By: Jonathan Brumley http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/06/christ-founded-a-visible-church/comment-page-4/#comment-24623 Jonathan Brumley Fri, 23 Dec 2011 03:08:02 +0000 http://www.calledtocommunion.com/?p=1251#comment-24623 Dear friends, This is a good place to announce that my wife and I have been received into full communion with the Catholic Church. We were confirmed on Saturday, Dec. 3rd of this year. Devin Rose, a good friend and guest writer on this site, was my sponsor. We grew up baptist (her) and church of Christ (me). Since our marriage in 2002, we attended Friends meetings, Episcopal Churches, quite a few churches of other denomination, and a fair amount of bedside baptist. As adults, we never found a home in Protestantism, partly due to our unwillingness to conform to a specific denomination. Ultimately, I became frustrated with the "search for a church" in the wilderness of Protestantism, and became open to the idea that Christ intended something better. When I finally "discovered" the Catholic Church, my wife with great humility was willing to go deeper with me. The Catholic Church was at first like visiting another planet. But now, it seems like a new adventure and a new spring. We are quite overjoyed to feel a renewed sense of unity with the Church, with Christ (in prayer and in the sacraments), and in our marriage. I want to thank the writers on this blog for their writings and prayers. The arguments here were very good, but they were not enough. It certainly took a gift of faith before we were able to take this step. I hope Peter will catch some more fish with the help of your work here. I pray God will continue to bless your writings. O Come, King of the Nations! Jonathan Dear friends,

This is a good place to announce that my wife and I have been received into full communion with the Catholic Church. We were confirmed on Saturday, Dec. 3rd of this year. Devin Rose, a good friend and guest writer on this site, was my sponsor.

We grew up baptist (her) and church of Christ (me). Since our marriage in 2002, we attended Friends meetings, Episcopal Churches, quite a few churches of other denomination, and a fair amount of bedside baptist. As adults, we never found a home in Protestantism, partly due to our unwillingness to conform to a specific denomination. Ultimately, I became frustrated with the “search for a church” in the wilderness of Protestantism, and became open to the idea that Christ intended something better. When I finally “discovered” the Catholic Church, my wife with great humility was willing to go deeper with me.

The Catholic Church was at first like visiting another planet. But now, it seems like a new adventure and a new spring. We are quite overjoyed to feel a renewed sense of unity with the Church, with Christ (in prayer and in the sacraments), and in our marriage.

I want to thank the writers on this blog for their writings and prayers. The arguments here were very good, but they were not enough. It certainly took a gift of faith before we were able to take this step.

I hope Peter will catch some more fish with the help of your work here. I pray God will continue to bless your writings.

O Come, King of the Nations!

Jonathan

]]> By: Bryan Cross http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/06/christ-founded-a-visible-church/comment-page-4/#comment-23119 Bryan Cross Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:51:29 +0000 http://www.calledtocommunion.com/?p=1251#comment-23119 William W. Goligher, the senior minister at Tenth Presbyterian Church in Philadelphia, recently wrote a short article titled "<a href="http://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/what-kind-of-unity/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">What Kind of Unity?</a>" at Ligonier. But, his article does not say anything about schism, or how one would know whether a particular group is a <em>branch within</em> the Church, or a <em>schism from</em> the Church (see "<a href="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/07/branches-or-schisms/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Branches or Schisms?</a>.") Nothing in the article says anything about visible unity. In short, Goligher's article is fully compatible with a denial of the visibility of the Church, and a denial of the very possibility of schism as something distinct from heresy (see "<a href="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2011/10/michael-horton-on-schism-as-heresy/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Michael Horton on Schism as Heresy</a>.") That's part of the problem Tom and I describe in the body of the article above, namely, that even though WCF XXV.2 affirms the visibility of the Church, Reformed ecclesiology in essence is that of a Church that is not visible, but fundamentally invisible. (See "<a href="http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/09/why-protestantism-has-no-visible-catholic-church/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Why Protestantism has no visible catholic Church</a>." ) William W. Goligher, the senior minister at Tenth Presbyterian Church in Philadelphia, recently wrote a short article titled “What Kind of Unity?” at Ligonier. But, his article does not say anything about schism, or how one would know whether a particular group is a branch within the Church, or a schism from the Church (see “Branches or Schisms?.”) Nothing in the article says anything about visible unity. In short, Goligher’s article is fully compatible with a denial of the visibility of the Church, and a denial of the very possibility of schism as something distinct from heresy (see “Michael Horton on Schism as Heresy.”) That’s part of the problem Tom and I describe in the body of the article above, namely, that even though WCF XXV.2 affirms the visibility of the Church, Reformed ecclesiology in essence is that of a Church that is not visible, but fundamentally invisible. (See “Why Protestantism has no visible catholic Church.” )

]]> By: David Meyer http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/06/christ-founded-a-visible-church/comment-page-4/#comment-23076 David Meyer Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:06:12 +0000 http://www.calledtocommunion.com/?p=1251#comment-23076 Here here to what Fr. Bryan said above. Today I made a post that has the complete schedule for the week, with episode descriptions, along with links to the streaming all on the same page. I wanted to make it easy for family and friends to watch. I cant wait! http://newchristendom.blogspot.com/2011/11/catholicism-series-tonight.html Here here to what Fr. Bryan said above. Today I made a post that has the complete schedule for the week, with episode descriptions, along with links to the streaming all on the same page. I wanted to make it easy for family and friends to watch. I cant wait!
http://newchristendom.blogspot.com/2011/11/catholicism-series-tonight.html

]]> By: Fr. Bryan Ochs http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/06/christ-founded-a-visible-church/comment-page-4/#comment-23072 Fr. Bryan Ochs Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:31:14 +0000 http://www.calledtocommunion.com/?p=1251#comment-23072 Wasn't sure where to put this, but just want people to know that Fr. Robert Barron's series, <i>Catholicism</i> will be shown on EWTN starting tonight. Check your local listings and set your DVRs. If you don't have EWTN you can stream it online at ewtn.com. I've been watching the DVDs and I think it is quite good - even moving at times. So please check it out! Wasn’t sure where to put this, but just want people to know that Fr. Robert Barron’s series, Catholicism will be shown on EWTN starting tonight. Check your local listings and set your DVRs. If you don’t have EWTN you can stream it online at ewtn.com.

I’ve been watching the DVDs and I think it is quite good – even moving at times. So please check it out!

]]> By: Steven Reyes http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/06/christ-founded-a-visible-church/comment-page-4/#comment-16826 Steven Reyes Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:33:17 +0000 http://www.calledtocommunion.com/?p=1251#comment-16826 Curt, I didn't mean to imply that you couldn't use Scripture, I was just saying that the varying interpretations do have some amount ability to conform to the Scriptural data. Catholics and Protestants read the Bible in different ways. Catholics try to read it in light of the Tradition, Protestants typically refer to modern lexicons and don't use much Tradition. God bless, -Steven Reyes Curt,
I didn’t mean to imply that you couldn’t use Scripture, I was just saying that the varying interpretations do have some amount ability to conform to the Scriptural data. Catholics and Protestants read the Bible in different ways. Catholics try to read it in light of the Tradition, Protestants typically refer to modern lexicons and don’t use much Tradition.
God bless,
-Steven Reyes

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