Comments on: The Grandeur of Covenant Theology http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/05/the-grandeur-of-covenant-theology-a-catholic-perspective/ Reformation meets Rome Wed, 08 Sep 2010 20:49:49 +0000 hourly 1 By: Andrew Preslar http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/05/the-grandeur-of-covenant-theology-a-catholic-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-8275 Andrew Preslar Mon, 17 May 2010 17:18:55 +0000 http://www.calledtocommunion.com/?p=1004#comment-8275 Heh. I was just looking at this article, and the first thing that happened is I saw the picture of that island and thought, man, I would like to live someplace like that, "island of isolation" and all. Grace builds on nature, no doubt, but it also has to transform and / or overthrow certain certain "natural" inclinations and longings. Oh well. (Could I just build a little chapel and have a priest row out once in a while to say Mass?) Heh. I was just looking at this article, and the first thing that happened is I saw the picture of that island and thought, man, I would like to live someplace like that, “island of isolation” and all. Grace builds on nature, no doubt, but it also has to transform and / or overthrow certain certain “natural” inclinations and longings. Oh well. (Could I just build a little chapel and have a priest row out once in a while to say Mass?)

]]> By: Jonathan Deane http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/05/the-grandeur-of-covenant-theology-a-catholic-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-8208 Jonathan Deane Thu, 13 May 2010 06:44:52 +0000 http://www.calledtocommunion.com/?p=1004#comment-8208 Hi Paul, The precise connection between Old Testament and New varies even within advocates of Covenant Theology. Thus you have some who are more literalistic in the continuity, as can be seen in Theonomy. On the other hand, a more Two-Kingdoms focused mentality sees continuity in distinction from dispensationalism, but it does not see the Laws given to Moses as universal. The issues surrounding salvation are still in harmony between Old Testament and New Testament, whereas in Dispensationalism we are purportedly in a "Church" Age that is completely different from the salvation offered during the Old Testament Times. And thus in Dispensationalism, that OT form of salvation will come back during the "tribulation" and the "millennium". Now going to your question about disconnectedness--the strongest disconnection that remains for Protestants, irrespective of their views on OT/NT, actually is something that I think you're pointing to---Paul's Epistles predominate in discussions by most Protestants. The writings of St. James, and more importantly, the Holy Gospels, have much to say about our labors in Christ (though one can find the same things in places like 1 Corinthians and Galatians). In that sense, there is a disconnect even within the NT narrative for most Protestants. I think this issue is secondary to things mentioned in other articles--namely, things like the nature of ordination, the visibility of the Church. These are more tangible matters that are more interesting. Nevertheless, I think I see where you are coming from. Blessings, Jonathan Hi Paul,
The precise connection between Old Testament and New varies even within advocates of Covenant Theology. Thus you have some who are more literalistic in the continuity, as can be seen in Theonomy. On the other hand, a more Two-Kingdoms focused mentality sees continuity in distinction from dispensationalism, but it does not see the Laws given to Moses as universal. The issues surrounding salvation are still in harmony between Old Testament and New Testament, whereas in Dispensationalism we are purportedly in a “Church” Age that is completely different from the salvation offered during the Old Testament Times. And thus in Dispensationalism, that OT form of salvation will come back during the “tribulation” and the “millennium”.

Now going to your question about disconnectedness–the strongest disconnection that remains for Protestants, irrespective of their views on OT/NT, actually is something that I think you’re pointing to—Paul’s Epistles predominate in discussions by most Protestants. The writings of St. James, and more importantly, the Holy Gospels, have much to say about our labors in Christ (though one can find the same things in places like 1 Corinthians and Galatians). In that sense, there is a disconnect even within the NT narrative for most Protestants.

I think this issue is secondary to things mentioned in other articles–namely, things like the nature of ordination, the visibility of the Church. These are more tangible matters that are more interesting. Nevertheless, I think I see where you are coming from.

Blessings,
Jonathan

]]> By: Paul Rodden http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/05/the-grandeur-of-covenant-theology-a-catholic-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-8188 Paul Rodden Wed, 12 May 2010 13:48:51 +0000 http://www.calledtocommunion.com/?p=1004#comment-8188 Hi there, I'm no Theologian, but even I can see the following recent blog video seems like a total 'dog's dinner' in terms of Covenant Theology: http://tinyurl.com/35rkbht What's more, Greg Koukl is a highly respected teacher! After all, he co-authored a book with Frank Beckwith. The strangest thing for me was the disconnectedness - and total absence - of Jesus Christ and the New Covenant, and although he uses 'New Testament', he simply means 'Paul's Epistles'. What do you think? Hi there, I’m no Theologian, but even I can see the following recent blog video seems like a total ‘dog’s dinner’ in terms of Covenant Theology:

http://tinyurl.com/35rkbht

What’s more, Greg Koukl is a highly respected teacher! After all, he co-authored a book with Frank Beckwith.

The strangest thing for me was the disconnectedness – and total absence – of Jesus Christ and the New Covenant, and although he uses ‘New Testament’, he simply means ‘Paul’s Epistles’.

What do you think?

]]> By: Tim A. Troutman http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/05/the-grandeur-of-covenant-theology-a-catholic-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-836 Tim A. Troutman Tue, 12 May 2009 16:52:17 +0000 http://www.calledtocommunion.com/?p=1004#comment-836 Thanks! Feel free to pass it along. Thanks! Feel free to pass it along.

]]> By: Jeremy Tate http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/05/the-grandeur-of-covenant-theology-a-catholic-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-834 Jeremy Tate Tue, 12 May 2009 03:04:03 +0000 http://www.calledtocommunion.com/?p=1004#comment-834 Awesome video. Very well done. Awesome video. Very well done.

]]> By: Topics about New-testament » Archive » The Grandeur of Covenant Theology: A Catholic Perspective | Called … http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/05/the-grandeur-of-covenant-theology-a-catholic-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-826 Topics about New-testament » Archive » The Grandeur of Covenant Theology: A Catholic Perspective | Called … Sun, 10 May 2009 16:27:46 +0000 http://www.calledtocommunion.com/?p=1004#comment-826 [...] Jonathan Deane placed an interesting blog post on The Grandeur of Covenant Theology: A Catholic Perspective | Called …Here’s a brief overviewUnlike other theological schools such as dispensationalism or Schweitzer’s notion of a god whose Covenant evolved with himself, in Covenant theology there is an emphasis on a unity which pervades the history of salvation. … It is more spiritual, not only in that the types and ceremonies of the Old Testament are done away, but also in that the revelation itself is more inward and spiritual. What was then made known objectively, is now, to a greater extent, written on the … [...] [...] Jonathan Deane placed an interesting blog post on The Grandeur of Covenant Theology: A Catholic Perspective | Called …Here’s a brief overviewUnlike other theological schools such as dispensationalism or Schweitzer’s notion of a god whose Covenant evolved with himself, in Covenant theology there is an emphasis on a unity which pervades the history of salvation. … It is more spiritual, not only in that the types and ceremonies of the Old Testament are done away, but also in that the revelation itself is more inward and spiritual. What was then made known objectively, is now, to a greater extent, written on the … [...]

]]> By: Tom Riello http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/05/the-grandeur-of-covenant-theology-a-catholic-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-822 Tom Riello Sun, 10 May 2009 03:55:04 +0000 http://www.calledtocommunion.com/?p=1004#comment-822 Jonathan, Great piece. It was Covenant Theology that paved the way for my return to Rome especially the way Covenant Theology manifested itself in the lived experience of the Church most particularly in the Liturgy. Jonathan,

Great piece. It was Covenant Theology that paved the way for my return to Rome especially the way Covenant Theology manifested itself in the lived experience of the Church most particularly in the Liturgy.

]]> By: Matt Yonke http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/05/the-grandeur-of-covenant-theology-a-catholic-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-821 Matt Yonke Sat, 09 May 2009 23:54:59 +0000 http://www.calledtocommunion.com/?p=1004#comment-821 Ah, mea maxima culpa, I got the title of the book wrong anyway. The book I was recommending is called "The Great Heresies." But I'll concur with Jonathan, "How the Reformation Happened" is excellent as well. Ah, mea maxima culpa, I got the title of the book wrong anyway. The book I was recommending is called “The Great Heresies.” But I’ll concur with Jonathan, “How the Reformation Happened” is excellent as well.

]]> By: mel http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/05/the-grandeur-of-covenant-theology-a-catholic-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-820 mel Sat, 09 May 2009 23:04:25 +0000 http://www.calledtocommunion.com/?p=1004#comment-820 I've recently discovered that your blog title is actually a book that the Pope has written. I've ordered it and will look forward to its perspective. God bless. I’ve recently discovered that your blog title is actually a book that the Pope has written. I’ve ordered it and will look forward to its perspective. God bless.

]]> By: Jonathan Deane http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2009/05/the-grandeur-of-covenant-theology-a-catholic-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-819 Jonathan Deane Sat, 09 May 2009 21:32:00 +0000 http://www.calledtocommunion.com/?p=1004#comment-819 Thanks for the quote John. Re: history, I too would recommend Belloc, but would emphasize "How the Reformation Happened" over Heresies as it's more focused on the events surrounding the 16th century. Blessings, Jonathan Thanks for the quote John. Re: history, I too would recommend Belloc, but would emphasize “How the Reformation Happened” over Heresies as it’s more focused on the events surrounding the 16th century.

Blessings,
Jonathan

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